CammedEvo

iTrader: (5)

I need the xml for a 5360010/09

heres what i have in the evo10base

<scaling name="Loadify" units="%" toexpr="(x*10/512)*10/32" frexpr="(x*32/10)*512/10" format="%.1f" min="0" max="300" inc="1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>

<table name="MAP based Load Calc #1 - Hot/Interpolated" category="Fuel" type="3D" level="2" swapxy="true" scaling="Loadify">
<table name="MAP" type="X Axis" elements="19" scaling="JDMMAPpsi"/>
<table name="RPM" type="Y Axis" elements="19" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP based Load Calc #2 - Cold/Interpolated" category="Fuel" type="3D" level="2" swapxy="true" scaling="Loadify"> <table name="MAP" type="X Axis" elements="19" scaling="JDMMAPpsi"/>
<table name="RPM" type="Y Axis" elements="19" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP based Load Calc #3" category="Fuel" type="3D" level="2" swapxy="true" scaling="Loadify">
<table name="MAP" type="X Axis" elements="19" scaling="JDMMAPpsi"/>
<table name="RPM" type="Y Axis" elements="19" scaling="RPM"/>
</table>

Thanks for the help.

Also its apparent that i'm missing some fuel control. But i'm hoping that changing the scaling will allow for more control because load is all jacked on the X turbo.

GST Motorsports

iTrader: (8)

Ah so you found out the problem as well when putting larger turbos on the RA.

Scaling is the same as the Evo 10 because they both use 3 bar map sensors.

You just need to copy paste the evo 10 data in the main table (s).

For 09 RA:

<table name="MAP based Load Calc #1 - Hot/Interpolated" address="604a0">
<table name="MAP" address="62a90"/>
<table name="RPM" address="62a64"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP based Load Calc #2 - Cold/Interpolated" address="601c4">
<table name="MAP" address="62a90"/>
<table name="RPM" address="62a64"/>
</table>

<table name="MAP based Load Calc #3" address="5fee8">
<table name="MAP" address="62a90"/>
<table name="RPM" address="62a64"/>
</table>

- Bryan

CammedEvo

iTrader: (5)

bang bang.


Thanks brother!

hope she does well at the track tonight

Piper747

iTrader: (2)

I've been trying to read and find out what exactly these tables do, and why they differ between the RA and Evo. I realize the turbo is different but not sure how this relates to these tables. I'm obviously missing some theory here. Can someone clear this up for me? Throw me a link or something?

Here is the difference between maps for anyone's curiosity. Evo on top.

CammedEvo

iTrader: (5)

I'm not a pro-tuner or anything but this is what i've found to hold true on my friends car.

They differ between the RA and the Evo because of airflow difference between the RA turbo and Evo. Basically the ECU uses this as a VE table and calculates load based on how much air it thinks it has per cylinder per stroke. When you upgrade turbos the new turbo actually outputs more air than the ECU thinks it has.

with upgraded turbos on RA's is the ECU thinks the turbo is beyond its range and not flowing adequately.

Basically your load will be going down when you know it should be increasing and you're sitting there like what the **** is going on with this thing if you don't edit these tables.

CammedEvo

iTrader: (5)

oh and the car went a best of 13.0 @ 107 he wouldn't launch it which i don't blame him..
Thanks to bryans help

Wouldn't the trap speed increase if launched/footbaked ?

GST Motorsports

iTrader: (8)

Yup, think of them as VE tables and they make more sense.

107 seems pretty good for a evo 10 turbo, is it street tuned or dyno tuned?

- Bryan

CammedEvo

iTrader: (5)

Yeah, street tuned by myself.. 22psi

I feel like theres more power in it but i was having trouble with boost patterns because my load was all jacked and i didn't want to halfass it and disable error correction. So i left it at 22-19 and still very rich up top.

I wish i could've devoted more time to it lastnight but it was another friends birthday and hes had a evo 8 for 3 years now.. 3 built motors.. and hadn't ever made a pass in it so i was helping him. 12.1 @ 122 first night ever launching his car he loved it too.

Piper747

iTrader: (2)

I see, so the turbo is moving more air at the same pressure hence the increased load at the same MAP.
So I guess there would be no reason to adjust these if the turbo was left stock, and you weren't running cams or a ported head or something that increased flow?
What would the main calculations that would be thrown off if these maps were not adjusted?
What if you were spraying meth and condensing the air before it entered the intake manifold, could this potentially be a reason to tweak these maps?
What symptoms would there be if these tables were off for a particular setup?

Bryan, you mentioned initial issues with the BBX Lite that affected the SST. Could you elaborate a bit on the specifics?

CammedEvo

iTrader: (5)

Load calc is whats thrown off.

Until you are having issues IE your load patterns are like something you've never seen before. You have no reason to modify these tables

However when you upgrade turbos this becomes a very big issue.

If your car does what it's suppose to. Don't worry about it.

Whats the point in meth on stock RA turbo anyway?

Piper747

iTrader: (2)

Not that much is seems....Just an experiment and prep for possible turbo swap, and a bump for the 91 octane. I got some more timing out of it, that's about all.
The reason I ask, is because since the meth, my load graph looks like someone ripped the peak off. Between 3500 and 4500, the load curve is flat and jagged. Changes in the WGDC have no effect at all. The load flattens at about 228 load. This is not my target, so don't think its error correction.
Maybe I have a leaking BOV, although the boost plot doesn't seems to share this characteristic. I hope to put a evo BOV on this weekend and see if it solves this problem

CammedEvo

iTrader: (5)

you're problem is probably timing related.

check a log before to see what you were running at peak tq.
compared to now.

Piper747

iTrader: (2)

I added about 5 degree at peak tq. From 5 to 10.

I don't follow....

CammedEvo

iTrader: (5)

check your loggs tho..

bet the computer isn't doing what you asked

GST Motorsports

iTrader: (8)

If your timing is being limited, take a look at the Upper Bound Ignition table.

On the 2009 at around 230 load it's limited to about 5* at 3500 rpm

- Bryan