Balance Shaft Elimination Questions
Jan 4, 2017, 03:26 PM
#16
Evolved Member
Then the seven bolts came along and they really messed up the engine. These were in some of the most beautiful cars I ever saw and there was no fix from Mitusbishi. I remember one guy who kept the underside of his car clean with Pledge. Now, that's love. You could put in a new engine and it might also crank walk. Engines with automatics crank walked.
The point of the story is that Mitsubishi did a lot of engineering to give us the Evo engine and that engineering included a balance shaft fix.
Jan 4, 2017, 03:32 PM
#17
Evolved Member
Unless you're a car nut maintenance is something that occasionally occurs at Jiffy Lube.
Last edited by barneyb; Jan 4, 2017 at 03:48 PM.
Jan 4, 2017, 03:55 PM
#18
EvoM Guru
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Originally Posted by barneyb
Unless you're a car nut maintenance is something that occasionally occurs at Jiffy Lube.
Jan 9, 2017, 01:55 AM
#19
I personally feel anyone who thinks its a good idea to remove the balance shafts basically has no clue about good mechanics of your vehicle. jacks article scratches the surface of how important they are. Do you really think mitsubishi would include $400 extra in parts on engine if they werent really necessary? I have seen all the adverse affects Jacks talks about and more. If you dont see them you dont have much experience with these cars or you arent very observant when you diagnose failures with your car.
My experience is take them out on drag cars. they simply dont log enough run time to matter that much.
On street cars you are dumb if you take them out. If you are worried about early failure its not the balance shafts designs fault. it will be yours. they are the first bearing to fail when there is contamination in your engine. people wont own up to fact its there fault there was contamination in the engine because they arent smart enough to do so. I never take balance shafts out.
My experience is take them out on drag cars. they simply dont log enough run time to matter that much.
On street cars you are dumb if you take them out. If you are worried about early failure its not the balance shafts designs fault. it will be yours. they are the first bearing to fail when there is contamination in your engine. people wont own up to fact its there fault there was contamination in the engine because they arent smart enough to do so. I never take balance shafts out.
Jan 9, 2017, 05:48 AM
#20
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I personally feel anyone who thinks its a good idea to remove the balance shafts basically has no clue about good mechanics of your vehicle. jacks article scratches the surface of how important they are. Do you really think mitsubishi would include $400 extra in parts on engine if they werent really necessary? I have seen all the adverse affects Jacks talks about and more. If you dont see them you dont have much experience with these cars or you arent very observant when you diagnose failures with your car.
My experience is take them out on drag cars. they simply dont log enough run time to matter that much.
On street cars you are dumb if you take them out. If you are worried about early failure its not the balance shafts designs fault. it will be yours. they are the first bearing to fail when there is contamination in your engine. people wont own up to fact its there fault there was contamination in the engine because they arent smart enough to do so. I never take balance shafts out.
My experience is take them out on drag cars. they simply dont log enough run time to matter that much.
On street cars you are dumb if you take them out. If you are worried about early failure its not the balance shafts designs fault. it will be yours. they are the first bearing to fail when there is contamination in your engine. people wont own up to fact its there fault there was contamination in the engine because they arent smart enough to do so. I never take balance shafts out.
Balance shafts are particular to the stock piston / rod combination and harmonics. Once we change this combo there is no need for them .
Jan 9, 2017, 09:56 AM
#21
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I personally feel anyone who thinks its a good idea to remove the balance shafts basically has no clue about good mechanics of your vehicle. jacks article scratches the surface of how important they are. Do you really think mitsubishi would include $400 extra in parts on engine if they werent really necessary? I have seen all the adverse affects Jacks talks about and more. If you dont see them you dont have much experience with these cars or you arent very observant when you diagnose failures with your car.
My experience is take them out on drag cars. they simply dont log enough run time to matter that much.
On street cars you are dumb if you take them out. If you are worried about early failure its not the balance shafts designs fault. it will be yours. they are the first bearing to fail when there is contamination in your engine. people wont own up to fact its there fault there was contamination in the engine because they arent smart enough to do so. I never take balance shafts out.
My experience is take them out on drag cars. they simply dont log enough run time to matter that much.
On street cars you are dumb if you take them out. If you are worried about early failure its not the balance shafts designs fault. it will be yours. they are the first bearing to fail when there is contamination in your engine. people wont own up to fact its there fault there was contamination in the engine because they arent smart enough to do so. I never take balance shafts out.
I agree that with a stock rotating assembly, the balance shafts should be retained. Proper maintenance will prevent any issues.
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Jan 9, 2017, 10:54 AM
#23
Evolving Member
I have a educated question: Is it absolutely necessary to use the kiggly hla after a balance shaft delete has been performed ?
Or is it acceptable to re-install the OEM HLA with the balance shaft deleted ?
Also Mr. 94, what are your thoughts on the English Racing oil pump gear, your opinion please..
Or is it acceptable to re-install the OEM HLA with the balance shaft deleted ?
Also Mr. 94, what are your thoughts on the English Racing oil pump gear, your opinion please..
Jan 9, 2017, 10:58 AM
#24
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Kiggly HLA is good to do regardless. Keeps more oil in the pan.
The English pump gear is a great mod, if your bshafts are gone, and you have adjustbale cam gears to correct the 2.5* timing change it causes.
The English pump gear is a great mod, if your bshafts are gone, and you have adjustbale cam gears to correct the 2.5* timing change it causes.
Jan 9, 2017, 11:04 AM
#25
Evolving Member
Those questions are for you too KAJ, because I will get your oil pan modification, and now I'm wondering will that ER oil pump gear make a good situation better !!!
Capacity & Control, I like that..
Capacity & Control, I like that..
Jan 9, 2017, 11:05 AM
#26
I personally feel anyone who thinks its a good idea to remove the balance shafts basically has no clue about good mechanics of your vehicle. jacks article scratches the surface of how important they are. Do you really think mitsubishi would include $400 extra in parts on engine if they werent really necessary? I have seen all the adverse affects Jacks talks about and more. If you dont see them you dont have much experience with these cars or you arent very observant when you diagnose failures with your car.
My experience is take them out on drag cars. they simply dont log enough run time to matter that much.
On street cars you are dumb if you take them out. If you are worried about early failure its not the balance shafts designs fault. it will be yours. they are the first bearing to fail when there is contamination in your engine. people wont own up to fact its there fault there was contamination in the engine because they arent smart enough to do so. I never take balance shafts out.
My experience is take them out on drag cars. they simply dont log enough run time to matter that much.
On street cars you are dumb if you take them out. If you are worried about early failure its not the balance shafts designs fault. it will be yours. they are the first bearing to fail when there is contamination in your engine. people wont own up to fact its there fault there was contamination in the engine because they arent smart enough to do so. I never take balance shafts out.
Well said
Heres a great thread from the 944 boys on the BS elimination & the damaging harmonics involved. Read Chris's (professional engine builder) post no. 10
http://rennlist.com/forums/944-turbo...ed-engine.html
Jan 9, 2017, 01:08 PM
#27
I have a educated question: Is it absolutely necessary to use the kiggly hla after a balance shaft delete has been performed ?
Or is it acceptable to re-install the OEM HLA with the balance shaft deleted ?
Also Mr. 94, what are your thoughts on the English Racing oil pump gear, your opinion please..
Or is it acceptable to re-install the OEM HLA with the balance shaft deleted ?
Also Mr. 94, what are your thoughts on the English Racing oil pump gear, your opinion please..
Jan 9, 2017, 01:31 PM
#28
Evolving Member
Thank you for the responses fellas, I still would like to hear from you 94 about this matter, it's kinda hard to make the right decision where you hear 50% say they have never had a problem with doing a bs delete, and the other half are the horror stories of doing this mod.
I guess its one of those situations where you pick your poison, Minus I read the post in the link you provided, reading stuff like that makes you wanna keep the shafts in, as it has been stated in this thread they are install for a reason, HARMONICS
I guess its one of those situations where you pick your poison, Minus I read the post in the link you provided, reading stuff like that makes you wanna keep the shafts in, as it has been stated in this thread they are install for a reason, HARMONICS
Jan 9, 2017, 01:38 PM
#30
Thank you for the responses fellas, I still would like to hear from you 94 about this matter, it's kinda hard to make the right decision where you hear 50% say they have never had a problem with doing a bs delete, and the other half are the horror stories of doing this mod.
I guess its one of those situations where you pick your poison, Minus I read the post in the link you provided, reading stuff like that makes you wanna keep the shafts in, as it has been stated in this thread they are install for a reason, HARMONICS
I guess its one of those situations where you pick your poison, Minus I read the post in the link you provided, reading stuff like that makes you wanna keep the shafts in, as it has been stated in this thread they are install for a reason, HARMONICS
