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E85 Then back again..

Old May 11, 2007, 09:24 AM
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E85 Then back again..

Ive been running E85 for a few months now, just running a boost controller and greddy ti.

23 psi, making around 330whp (datalog lab)

Recently I installed a O2 housing, and dc 3" downpipe and returned to 93 octane pump. Only 280whp (datalog lab)


E85 was my cheap alternative for running higher power, and now that im moving back to Baton Rouge, la (no e85) it has me feeling the need to upgrade the turbo for higher power on 93 pump.

So for all you guys who have E85 in your area, go green it does make the world a better place :P

Im thinking about just jumping to a Gt35r (e housing).. My driving in baton rouge is all highway.
Old May 11, 2007, 09:44 AM
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Dude, fix the link to Fullblown on your page. A "not so much" workplace-friendly site pops up.
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what did you change in your car to run E85 in the first place?
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Isn't it true that E85 actually puts off more Co2 emissions than regular petrol (since more volume of fluid is combusted)? I've heard this from multiple people.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Ag
what did you change in your car to run E85 in the first place?
I would like to know also.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stock
Dude, fix the link to Fullblown on your page. A "not so much" workplace-friendly site pops up.
really? Ill have to fix that tonight then.




Full blown Dual walbro housing
Only running 1 Walbro pump
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Old May 11, 2007, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
Isn't it true that E85 actually puts off more Co2 emissions than regular petrol (since more volume of fluid is combusted)? I've heard this from multiple people.
well enthnol has a carbon diaoxide by product , compared to carbon monoxide which gasonline uses.

Plants turn carbon diaoxide into oxygen using photosysthesis.

Carbon monoxide just puts holes in the o zone. (i guess?)
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Originally Posted by jordo
well enthnol has a carbon diaoxide by product , compared to carbon monoxide which gasonline uses.

Plants turn carbon diaoxide into oxygen using photosysthesis.

Carbon monoxide just puts holes in the o zone. (i guess?)
Carbon dioxide is a green house gas, and is largely responsibly for global warming. E85 isn't as green as you think.
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"quoted from wikipedia"

[edit] Life cycle impact of E85 on greenhouse gas emissions
Use of E85 results in reductions of greenhouse gas emissions and energy use for each gallon burned, compared to the emissions and energy use for the gasoline it replaces.[1][2]

Using corn based fuel ethanol production, E85 has a significant effect on total fossil fuel / energy usage and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. As process efficiency increases over the coming years, these benefits are expected to continue to improve. A recent study by University of California at Berkeley estimates it cuts greenhouse-gas emissions by 13% over gasoline.[citation needed]

E85 produces less energy per gallon than gasoline, which means fewer miles per gallon. Until the price of E85 drops to 72% the price of gasoline, consumers may not see any savings in fuel costs per mile. But, as noted earlier in this article, the "energy penalty" per gallon of liquid fuel may not be the entire 28% differential in energy content of that gallon of liquid. In other words, a FFV may use the energy content (measured in BTUs) of E85 more efficiently than the energy content in gasoline. For example, if a Ford Taurus FFV with a highway fuel economy of 27 miles per gallon on gasoline gets 23 miles per gallon on E85, that "penalty" per gallon of E85 is only 15%, not 28%. Viewed from the other perspective, 23 miles per gallon on E85 is a "gasoline-equivalent" energy efficiency of 32 miles per gallon (23/0.72), compared to only 27 miles for the same number of BTUs if using gasoline.

Using dry milling process technology (circa 1999) each gallon of E85 burned reduced petroleum usage by an estimated 0.949 gallon (0.949 L/L). Reduced GHG emissions by 23.8%, compared to burning a gallon of gasoline, and reduced life cycle fossil energy consumption by 44.4% compared to gasoline.

On a per-mile-driven basis, using 1999 technology, dry milling process derived E85, reduced petroleum usage by 74.9%, GHG emissions by 18.8%, and total fossil energy consumed by 35%. Wet milling derived E85 with 1999 technology would net reductions of 72.5% in petroleum usage, 13.7% in GHG emissions, and 34.4% in fossil energy used.

Using more recent state of the art (circa 2005) the energy usage figures improve slightly, with an appreciable decrease in GHG emissions. Dry mill current technology reduces petroleum usage by 75.6%, GHG emissions by 25.5% and fossil energy use by 40.7%. Wet mill current technology reduces petroleum usage by 73.7%, GHG by 23.8% and fossil energy by 42.5%.

Using cellulose based processes, the reductions in petroleum, GHG, and fossil energy are expected to reach the following levels in a mature production environment. Cellulose based ethanol production is nearing commercial viability at this time (2006). Woody biomass process (near future technology) petroleum reduction 69.9%, GHG emissions 102.2% (taking GHGs out of the atmosphere) and fossil energy usage 79%. Herbaceous biomass process (near future technology) petroleum usage reduction of 71.4%, GHG emissions 67.6% and fossil energy 70.4%.

Skeptics caution, however, that these potential benefits are balanced, and possibly offset, by a significant cost in the form of farmland. It has been estimated that the land area required to operate a motor vehicle for one year on pure ethanol, 11 acres, could feed 7 people over the same timeframe.[2] The logical consequences of these competing land uses are that widespread use of ethanol would lower food production from existing agricultural land, potentially inflating food prices due to less supply. Alternatively, the agricultural industry could maintain existing levels of food production and create more farmland — through deforestation — upon which to grow crops for energy production. Ironically, this could lead to the acceleration of the greenhouse effect as well as the loss of biodiversity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85
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Well wikipedia never lies, yay for E85!
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I wish they had E85 at all the pumps. 110+octane at the pumps would be sweet.


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