Aftermarket rims, No alignment????
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Originally Posted by Danny23
i,m going from stock to 18x9 rims and 245x40 tires and am definetely getting an alignment.going from 17 to 18,s you should definetely get an alignment even if it feels ok. Better safe than sorry for less than 100.00. just my opinion
That is not true.
You do NOT need an alignment just be cause you change wheels or tires, even if they are a completely different size than stock. Wheel and tire choice has absolutely nothing to do with the relationship between the hub face, tie rods, control arms or strut assembly. That is like asking if you need to drain and refill your windsheild washer fluid reservoir when you put new wiper blades on.
Wiper blades have nothing to do with washer fluid. Wheels have nothing to do with an alignment.
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Going bigger in diameter changes nothing. If you have same the width and offset there is no need to align the car. Changing wheels will not change your caster, camber, toe, ackerman, bumpsteer any of that. The only time you should align it is if you go with a different width and offset and you will have to custom spec that out.
Even then most of your settings will be the same. If you had -1 degree of camber before you will still have -1 degree of camber after. However, it will be one degree over _" instead of 1 degree over 8" which could be trouble if you are going a lot wider than stock.
Unless you are going way wider I wouldn't worry about it. What I would look into would be what it does to your corner weights if you have coilovers.
Even then most of your settings will be the same. If you had -1 degree of camber before you will still have -1 degree of camber after. However, it will be one degree over _" instead of 1 degree over 8" which could be trouble if you are going a lot wider than stock.
Unless you are going way wider I wouldn't worry about it. What I would look into would be what it does to your corner weights if you have coilovers.
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Originally Posted by Dayton_EVO
Any time you put aftermarket rims on that are different that the stock wheels, you should get an alignment. Only way you wouldn't get an alignment is if the new wheels were the same offset, same tire size, and width.
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i,m going from stock wheels and tires to 18x9 +31 wheels with 245x40 REO50A PP tires. For the money i spent i,m damn gonna have piece of mind for 100.00 to assure everything is on the money!
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Originally Posted by Danny23
i,m going from stock wheels and tires to 18x9 +31 wheels with 245x40 REO50A PP tires. For the money i spent i,m damn gonna have piece of mind for 100.00 to assure everything is on the money!
How does paying for something unnecessary give you better piece of mind.
Now, if it's been a while and you want an alignment just to make sure everthing is still in specs, that's fine. But it won't change only from swapping wheels and tires. (unless you previously had an alignment done and your wheels were bent at the time)
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Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
Why? What makes you think that anything will change with your alignment?
How does paying for something unnecessary give you better piece of mind.
Now, if it's been a while and you want an alignment just to make sure everthing is still in specs, that's fine. But it won't change only from swapping wheels and tires. (unless you previously had an alignment done and your wheels were bent at the time)
How does paying for something unnecessary give you better piece of mind.
Now, if it's been a while and you want an alignment just to make sure everthing is still in specs, that's fine. But it won't change only from swapping wheels and tires. (unless you previously had an alignment done and your wheels were bent at the time)
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Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
Why? What makes you think that anything will change with your alignment?
How does paying for something unnecessary give you better piece of mind.
Now, if it's been a while and you want an alignment just to make sure everthing is still in specs, that's fine. But it won't change only from swapping wheels and tires. (unless you previously had an alignment done and your wheels were bent at the time)
How does paying for something unnecessary give you better piece of mind.
Now, if it's been a while and you want an alignment just to make sure everthing is still in specs, that's fine. But it won't change only from swapping wheels and tires. (unless you previously had an alignment done and your wheels were bent at the time)
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Ok, sorry, I guess we are coming from two different places here. I have my car aligned about 4-8 times a year because I am always changing my suspension and messing with the settings. Because I already know that everything is accurate before I change wheels, I know it is accurate after I change wheels.
It sounds like you have some doubt that your alignment was correct even before you swapped wheels, so you now want to get it aligned just to make sure everything is in specs. That would be a good idea.
BTW, I change wheels once a week on average.
It sounds like you have some doubt that your alignment was correct even before you swapped wheels, so you now want to get it aligned just to make sure everything is in specs. That would be a good idea.
BTW, I change wheels once a week on average.
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Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
Once again. That is incorrect. Please explain how a different wheel will change the angle of the hub in relation to the ground or the chassis of the car. Thanks.
I own a shop and I have been customizing vehicles as well as doing suspension and wheels for 20+years, not to mention I worked for General Motors doing chassis work for some time as well. Unless the wheel you are putting on is the same offset and width, and matches the stock height you will need an alignment. If the wheel you are putting on is taller but matches the OEM size(profile), same width as the OEM size, same offset as the OEM, no alignment needed. If the wheel is wider, taller(has a different profile), and a different offset "YOU WILL NEED AN ALIGNMENT." Ask any respectable wheel shop in the world, and you will get the same answer. Is it neccessary? No, but can you wear your tires and suspension components out quicker with the new wheels that mess up the OEM suspension geometry. Even the manufacturers will tell you that. If you don't understand it now, then you need to do some major research on your own. I have been at this far too long and customizing many vehicles over the last 20 years for race, for show, and street so I know this to be a fact. If people don't want an alignment after changing their wheel setup, so be it because it's their money to waste. But until someone can prove the whole industry of manufacturers and engineers wrong about alignments, I suggest leaving the misinformation out of the equation. I know what I know, but if you want to prove me wrong please put up some 100% verifiable proof that will negate what many of us know to be fact. You will be hard pressed to counter what the industry knows by hard fact and experience.
Later
BTW, I guess that putting a smaller diameter or bigger diameter wheels and tires(overall size/taller or shorter) than OEM will not throw off the Speedometer either....
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Originally Posted by Dayton_EVO
Just my $.02, so please don't take this as an attack.
I own a shop and I have been customizing vehicles as well as doing suspension and wheels for 20+years, not to mention I worked for General Motors doing chassis work for some time as well. Unless the wheel you are putting on is the same offset and width, and matches the stock height you will need an alignment. If the wheel you are putting on is taller but matches the OEM size(profile), same width as the OEM size, same offset as the OEM, no alignment needed. If the wheel is wider, taller(has a different profile), and a different offset "YOU WILL NEED AN ALIGNMENT." Ask any respectable wheel shop in the world, and you will get the same answer. Is it neccessary? No, but can you wear your tires and suspension components out quicker with the new wheels that mess up the OEM suspension geometry. Even the manufacturers will tell you that. If you don't understand it now, then you need to do some major research on your own. I have been at this far too long and customizing many vehicles over the last 20 years for race, for show, and street so I know this to be a fact. If people don't want an alignment after changing their wheel setup, so be it because it's their money to waste. But until someone can prove the whole industry of manufacturers and engineers wrong about alignments, I suggest leaving the misinformation out of the equation. I know what I know, but if you want to prove me wrong please put up some 100% verifiable proof that will negate what many of us know to be fact. You will be hard pressed to counter what the industry knows by hard fact and experience.
Later
BTW, I guess that putting a smaller diameter or bigger diameter wheels and tires(overall size/taller or shorter) than OEM will not throw off the Speedometer either....
I own a shop and I have been customizing vehicles as well as doing suspension and wheels for 20+years, not to mention I worked for General Motors doing chassis work for some time as well. Unless the wheel you are putting on is the same offset and width, and matches the stock height you will need an alignment. If the wheel you are putting on is taller but matches the OEM size(profile), same width as the OEM size, same offset as the OEM, no alignment needed. If the wheel is wider, taller(has a different profile), and a different offset "YOU WILL NEED AN ALIGNMENT." Ask any respectable wheel shop in the world, and you will get the same answer. Is it neccessary? No, but can you wear your tires and suspension components out quicker with the new wheels that mess up the OEM suspension geometry. Even the manufacturers will tell you that. If you don't understand it now, then you need to do some major research on your own. I have been at this far too long and customizing many vehicles over the last 20 years for race, for show, and street so I know this to be a fact. If people don't want an alignment after changing their wheel setup, so be it because it's their money to waste. But until someone can prove the whole industry of manufacturers and engineers wrong about alignments, I suggest leaving the misinformation out of the equation. I know what I know, but if you want to prove me wrong please put up some 100% verifiable proof that will negate what many of us know to be fact. You will be hard pressed to counter what the industry knows by hard fact and experience.
Later
BTW, I guess that putting a smaller diameter or bigger diameter wheels and tires(overall size/taller or shorter) than OEM will not throw off the Speedometer either....
DaytonEvo, you are so out of your mind it's ridiculous. Your pathetic man, you haven't the slightest idea what your talkin' about!! What are you sniffin' Your so full of sh...
*snicker* Just playin man. I've been knowing this guy since highschool and he knows his stuff. He's my go-to-man as far as rims and tires are concerned. He has his own business and has been at it for a number of years. Usually if you go to something wider than OEM tire or tire and rim combo, it may be a good idea to get the alignment checked out. It's just the smart thing to do. Or you can learn the hard way, gamble and pay for it later.
Later.
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Originally Posted by Dayton_EVO
Just my $.02, so please don't take this as an attack.
I own a shop and I have been customizing vehicles as well as doing suspension and wheels for 20+years, not to mention I worked for General Motors doing chassis work for some time as well. Unless the wheel you are putting on is the same offset and width, and matches the stock height you will need an alignment. If the wheel you are putting on is taller but matches the OEM size(profile), same width as the OEM size, same offset as the OEM, no alignment needed. If the wheel is wider, taller(has a different profile), and a different offset "YOU WILL NEED AN ALIGNMENT." Ask any respectable wheel shop in the world, and you will get the same answer.
I own a shop and I have been customizing vehicles as well as doing suspension and wheels for 20+years, not to mention I worked for General Motors doing chassis work for some time as well. Unless the wheel you are putting on is the same offset and width, and matches the stock height you will need an alignment. If the wheel you are putting on is taller but matches the OEM size(profile), same width as the OEM size, same offset as the OEM, no alignment needed. If the wheel is wider, taller(has a different profile), and a different offset "YOU WILL NEED AN ALIGNMENT." Ask any respectable wheel shop in the world, and you will get the same answer.
Originally Posted by Dayton_EVO
Is it neccessary? No, but can you wear your tires and suspension components out quicker with the new wheels that mess up the OEM suspension geometry. Even the manufacturers will tell you that.
Originally Posted by Dayton_EVO
If you don't understand it now, then you need to do some major research on your own . . . . I know what I know, but if you want to prove me wrong please put up some 100% verifiable proof that will negate what many of us know to be fact.
1 - check stock alignment
2 - take car off, drive 5 miles, go back on and re-check aligment (this will show the repeatability of the test and will give us a rough estimate of alowable tolerances)
3 - take car off, put on different offset and different diameter wheels and tires, drive 5 miles then retest
4 - take car off, put stock wheels/tires back on, retest
How about if I am wrong, I will cover the cost of the labor and alignments; if you are wrong, you cover the cost. Labor will be beween $200-$300 for this test, plus $100 to the winner for time setting at the computer explaining things.
Originally Posted by Dayton_EVO
BTW, I guess that putting a smaller diameter or bigger diameter wheels and tires(overall size/taller or shorter) than OEM will not throw off the Speedometer either....
EVOlutionary
Last edited by EVOlutionary; Aug 6, 2006 at 06:36 PM.