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Carbone Lorraine RC5+ - Pictures & Review

What's up duder's?

So in the search for the best pad that suites me and my driving style, I stumbled across Carbone Lorraine.

February 2009 I picked up the following parts which make up my current brake setup.

GiroDisc Magic Pads
GiroDisc Budget Rotors (blanks)
Techna-Fit Stainless Steel Brake Lines
Amsoil Series 600 DOT 4 Racing Brake Fluid (BF4)

After driving on this set up for about 6 months, I suffered from bad pad transfer (judder when braking which occurs from 85mph-60mph), crappy to no bite, crappy braking power overall, and tons fade when heated up just a little. My pedal feel was great, but my brakes absolutely weren't.
Yes, I've put up with it for this long. For the 95% of "spirited" daily driving that I do, I've learned to take it easy on the brakes and learned their limits and how to drive with them safely. It's time to change.

I want my brakes to chomp down and stop me in my place when I need to slam on them. Whether that be in creeping traffic, emergency highway maneuvers, spirited mountain drives, and everything in between. I wanted a pad that I could rely on to work without the worry of fade or destruction to my rotors. It seems the nature of a sintered pad is what I was looking for.

After doing a lot of reading and searching, I stumbled across this thread: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/mo...pads-ever.html
Yeah, I've gone through SmikeEvo's super duper brake thread, and that's where I first caught wind of these pads. They intrigued me because they were considered a race pad, but also a street pad. With this, my investigation began and the reading commenced. Yeah, you might say, there's no way that a single pad can do it all. There are tons of companies out there that will advertise their pads to be great on the street while providing the temp range and bite needed on the track. Well, that's exactly what intrigued me about the RC5+. They are a race pad first, but are very well mannered on the street as well. They were engineered as the entry level or base track pad from CL, and were designed to provide as little dust and noise possible while also providing very good pad/rotor life. Obviously, our driving styles will effect the results we will see as with any pad.

Well, I read through the entire thread that I linked just above, and after being very impressed with the results that people had experienced, and the service provided by Jeff Ritter, I contacted Jeff over at Essex Parts Services with the more detailed questions that I had. After going back and forth a few times via e-mail, which by the way Jeff was very prompt in answering, I made the decision to go with the CL RC5+ brake pads. Jeff went above and beyond to help me with anything I needed and I would highly recommend doing business with him and EPS.

I contacted Mike over at Touge Factory before the New Year break, and he replied informing me that these were currently out of stock but would be back in on Monday. On Monday I contacted Mike via phone and spoke about the pads and what I was looking to get out of them and what I would be putting them through. I had all my questions answered, and he even informed me of a couple of guys that he knew running the RC5+ and the success they were having with them. They were back in stock at Essex as he said they would be, and after receiving his PayPal address, I proceeded to send him payment. I placed my order Monday, and they arrived at my apartment today, which is Wednesday. Mike at Touge Factory did a great job being extremely helpful and answering all my questions and I would highly recommend doing business with him and TF.

Now, I know I said I would review these pads, but it won't be for about a week until I get them installed on my car. Living in an apartment with a crappy parking lot and a lack of tools makes things difficult until I can get over to a friends place.

My setup at the time of the review will consist of:

Carbone Lorraine RC5+ Brake Pads
GiroDisc Budget Rotors
Techna-Fit Stainless Steel Brake Lines
Amsoil Series 600 DOT 4 Racing Brake Fluid (BF4)

The nature of these sintered race pads is that they are abrasive when they are cold. With that said, it was recommended to me by Jeff, and later Mike, that I take it easy during the first week of driving and basically baby the car. I was instructed not to heat them up and to keep them as cold as possible. This would allow for the pads to work their abrasion at low temps and basically scrub my rotors which are littered with pad transfer. My hope is that after at least a week of babying the car, my rotors will be nice and clean and I'll be good to go. If not, I'll be purchasing a set of Centric Premium front rotors from Touge Factory and will hopefully be good to go. I also plan on purchasing some ATE Super Blue brake fluid and bleeding my lines, but that won't be until after I get some results from these pads and determine how effective they are.

I took some photos of the CL RC5+ pads, and I must say, they are built great. The back plates are of awesome quality and almost look like brass. It's definitely a heavy duty product built to last. It puts the obviously cheaper GiroDisc Magic pads to shame.

I hope this encourages people to do business with 2 great vendors here on EvoM. As a consumer with no association with either company or individual, and with over a decade of working experience in customer service myself, I have complete confidence that both Jeff and Mike would take care of you.

Update 1/9/10
Install Notes & Initial Impressions
Justin and I got these installed in about an hour and half. This included dealing with several stubborn lug nuts, jacking the car up, as well as cleaning up the rotors and calipers. I sanded down the flat outer edges of the rotors where the rust accumulates to smooth it out and get any loose debris off. I did this to all my rotor while Justin slipped the pads into the calipers. On the rear rotors I also cleaned up the rear inside portion where the e-brake clamps on. I did this to get rid of any loose debris and give it a cleaner surface. I didn't go crazy digging into the metal. I just cleared the surface. I should have taken photos of the dust/crumble pile I had after I was done with all 4 rotors. It was pretty bad. I also sprayed down the calipers with windex and afterward quick detailer to get all the salt, road grime and brake dust off them. They still need much TLC. Hopefully I'll be able to send them to TCC sooner than later.

After the install, I pumped the brakes a whole bunch of times to get the pressure back in the lines and get the pedal feel back. It was pretty loose before I did this. I noticed that I had brake feel and grip from the pads immediately after backing out of the driveway to stop the car and get into gear. I was pretty damn surprised. Coming to my first stop, I had normal brake grip right away. No delay, no slack, just straight up grip. Is this due to the layer of pad already on my rotors? Possibly. I'm not sure how these pads would react on brand new rotors. Maybe there would have been some delay that we're normally used to when installing brand new brakes. The pads do make some noise, but it's nothing annoying, at least not to me. I want brakes that will stop. Knowing I have race pads on the car, I don't care if they made a tad bit of noise. I know my car will stop, and stop damn well for that matter.

That's all I have for now since I still need to take a week of easy daily driving to let the pads scrub the rotors. I felt a little bit of shudder when slowing down on the highway at highway speeds. Not hard braking, just normal braking. It seemed to go away when I applied more/greater pressure. I'll be able to comment more on this tomorrow since I drive 30 miles round trip to and from work on pretty much 85% highway. So far I am very pleased.

Enjoy the photos.

-Jalal

Canon EOS 30D
Canon EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9267835@N03/5328660923/http://www.flickr.com/photos/9267835@N03/5328660923/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/9267835@N03/, on Flickr

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INSTALL PHOTOS 1/9/2011
Canon EOS 30D
Canon EF 28mm f/1.8 USM

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1/15/2011
Pictures of the rotors after a week of use


Canon EOS 30D
Canon EF 28mm f/1.8 USM

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Great review!

I am very interested in your impressions on this pads.
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Originally Posted by SmikeEvo
Great review!

I am very interested in your impressions on this pads.
Thanks, Smikey! I'll definitely let you know when I have these installed and get some miles put on them. I'll report back on the "scrubbing" portion of my transtion and then the "heated" break in portion.

I'll also be taking photos of my rotors before and after to show the effect these pads have on scrubbing/resurfacing of your rotors if you will.

-Jalal
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Curious are you going to be using the OEM backing plates and such? I have also talked to him about the RC5+. Want something I can still take out on the weekends if needed but be fairly capable at HPDE's or lapping days, pretty sure these fit the bill quite well.
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Originally Posted by dbsears
Curious are you going to be using the OEM backing plates and such? I have also talked to him about the RC5+. Want something I can still take out on the weekends if needed but be fairly capable at HPDE's or lapping days, pretty sure these fit the bill quite well.
I'm running RC6's (front) for road course work, but I haven't gotten around to swapping them out so they've been on for the past 6 months, track & street. They work fine on the street but are squeaky. I imagine the RC5s would be a much better choice for street use.

Rotor wear seems fine, but I don't drive my car that much, probably 3000 miles with the RC6's on.

There are lots of great pads out there, I think the RC5,6,et al are among them.

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Yea my car isn't driven during weekdays are hardly much at all. Only time I take it out is either to enjoy it on the weekends or to go to the track this year hopefully some more.

So the RC6 do okay on the streets for you? I'm just going to run centric blanks so I am not that concerned about wear yet. Just want something that decent cold bite but can handle the upper temps when I need them too (which is quite often )
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Good stuff! what camera was used? I like it.
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Canon EOS 30D
Canon EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM

I emailed Jeff to give him a heads up about this thread and he said he would come on here and comment.

-Jalal
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Jalal, please let us know how the pads work out for you. Nicely written piece, as well.

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Jalal, please let us know how the pads work out for you. Nicely written piece, as well.
Will do!

I want to talk to you about detailing wheels. I want to detail my volks so that when I finally install them, they have the most protection possible and cleaning brake dust is a breeze. I've already got some products in my head that you've suggested but I'd love to pick your brain. I'll shoot you a PM.

-Jalal
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Originally Posted by dbsears
So the RC6 do okay on the streets for you? I'm just going to run centric blanks so I am not that concerned about wear yet. Just want something that decent cold bite but can handle the upper temps when I need them too (which is quite often )
Yes, they work fine, though they don't have as good of an initial cold or wet bite as a good street pad - they are not street pads.

And they squeak. I wouldn't spend the $ unless you're going to do some serious tracking. From the feedback above & on the Motor Sports section, it sounds like the RC5s might be a better compromise, but that is conjecture on my part as I've not tried them.
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What is the price point on these?
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Originally Posted by McDougal
What is the price point on these?
Retail Pricing is as follows.

CL RC5+
$270.18
$133.09

Please contact Mike @ Touge Factory to confirm product and shipping costs. They may be able to provide you with a better deal.

PM me if you want to know what I paid.

-Jalal

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Thats a good price. Looking forward to your review.
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def looking forward to this review, was looking at these pads for autocross/street

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