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Old Dec 28, 2008, 10:05 PM
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What are the advantage and disadvantage of a light weight flywheel

So I was thinking of getting a light weight flywheel with my new clutch and was just wondering the advantage and disadvantage thanks.
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I heard that the very light weight flywheels tend to be less friendly when getting the car going from a stop. The car may stutter a bit or feel a bit shaky when getting going. Also, I heard that when going full throttle, the rpm's not only get up faster, but also drop faster when changing gears. There's an advantage and a disadvantage in the lighter weight flywheel. I just went with the Streetlite flywheel opposed to getting the Prolite flywheel from ACT since it has a very good balance of both performance and street driving.
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In general, a lighter flywheel will mean that the car will rev more freely. Your engine will be more responsive and your acceleration will be increased, partially because you'll be able to shift faster.

The bad thing about lightened flywheels on turbo cars are that (supposedly) the weight of the flywheel helps the turbo spool up quickly. So if you go too light, your turbo won't spool as fast.
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Originally Posted by al3xx
The bad thing about lightened flywheels on turbo cars are that (supposedly) the weight of the flywheel helps the turbo spool up quickly. So if you go too light, your turbo won't spool as fast.
This myth needs to die. It's true that the turbo won't spool as quickly, but that's because there is less load on the engine due to less weight.

This is the same difference as trying to spool up the turbo in 1st gear vs. 5th gear. You can spool up to 20psi at very low rpms in 5th gear whereas it'll happen much later in 1st gear due to the engine being loaded up much more in 5th gear.

If you wanted your turbo to spool more quickly, you can stick a heavy *** flywheel in your car or put 500lbs of weight in the trunk. I can guanrantee you that your car will be slower though.

The one negative of a lighter flywheel is that it makes taking off from a stop more difficult as there's less inertia. Otherwise, nothing but benefits as it 'frees' up power by reducing inertia and weight, makes rev-matching/downshifting easier as the engine revs more freely, and I'd guess that it lessens the wear on the clutch and tranny on shifts due to less inertia. BUT, it probably increases clutch wear a bit when starting from a stop as you'll need to slip the clutch a bit more.

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Originally Posted by al3xx

The bad thing about lightened flywheels on turbo cars are that (supposedly) the weight of the flywheel helps the turbo spool up quickly. So if you go too light, your turbo won't spool as fast.

lol lol lol every day theres something new. That is very incorrect sir. Actually a lighter flywheel lets the engine rev quicker, so u actually get into the engines power band alot faster than with the heavier flywheel.
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Originally Posted by Jason
Actually a lighter flywheel lets the engine rev quicker, so u actually get into the engines power band alot faster than with the heavier flywheel.
There's a difference between getting into the powerband and getting your turbo to spool up. Remember, the rpm's of your engine is not directly related to the rpm's of your turbo. Yes, you can rev faster, but it takes your turbo longer to spool up and provide max boost. So, yes theoretically I could stick in a heavy *** flywheel and get amazingly quick spool up, but then my car would be freaking slow. That's why there's a balance...if you go too light, you won't get max power very quickly as you'll be waiting for the turbo to develop enough boost. The information I got this from is MAP...I PM'ed them about getting a clutch/flywheel and asked him about how light I can go, this is what he said:

Originally Posted by maperformance
With turbo cars you don't want to go too light because you need the extra load to help with quick spool.

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its harder to get the car moving but after that you cant really tell unless your racing and then you will notice it rev's alot faster

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^^ You won't notice a HUGE difference because the stock flywheel is 13.9 lb and the ACT StreetLight is 13.1 lb. Obviously the weight could be distributed way differently such that the StreetLight has much less rotational inertia, but you'd have to have both side by side to see if that is the case. The Exedy flywheel that comes with the twin disc is 12 lb, so there's a bigger difference there.
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Hey guys thanks for all the good info. Is it true you lose TQ from a lighter flywheel?
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Originally Posted by Joe's Evo X
Hey guys thanks for all the good info. Is it true you lose TQ from a lighter flywheel?
No.
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Originally Posted by al3xx
The information I got this from is MAP...I PM'ed them about getting a clutch/flywheel and asked him about how light I can go, this is what he said:
Do you trust everything a shop tells you? If you listen to the old school domestic guys, they'll tell you that you need backpressure in the exhaust to make torque

Go grab a physics book, a basic book on engines (well, maybe not too basic), and draw your own conclusions.
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Originally Posted by al3xx
^^ You won't notice a HUGE difference because the stock flywheel is 13.9 lb and the ACT StreetLight is 13.1 lb. Obviously the weight could be distributed way differently such that the StreetLight has much less rotational inertia, but you'd have to have both side by side to see if that is the case. The Exedy flywheel that comes with the twin disc is 12 lb, so there's a bigger difference there.
well you do have to rev it higher to take off thats what i was basically talking about
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Hey do you guys think a 11lbs flywheel would be to light
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I put in the lightest ACT flywheel (Pro Light - 11 or so lbs.) along with the ACT 6 puck sprung clutch. The weight difference is not much between stock and the ACT part as a previous poster said.

It feels great and the only issue I have driving on the street is how hard and fast the clutch grabs over the stock unit. If I had to break down why I have to tap the gas lightly before taking off i would say its 95% due to the ACT clutch grabbing harder and 5% due to the lighter flywheel.

Once you put a setup in like this you will notice a slight increase in how fast the motor revs but don't expect any amazing gains since there is no huge difference in weights. After putting about 300 miles on my clutch I have no issues (50% due to me learning how to drive with it and 50% due to it breaking in.) I would say if you are going to put a new clutch in, go ahead and put the lighter flywheel in too. I have no regrets from doing it and I was really worried before putting it in!
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Originally Posted by spdracerut
Do you trust everything a shop tells you? If you listen to the old school domestic guys, they'll tell you that you need backpressure in the exhaust to make torque

Go grab a physics book, a basic book on engines (well, maybe not too basic), and draw your own conclusions.
I never said his information was necessarily correct, that's why I originally said, "(supposedly)." In any case, you said that the myth needs to die but you do indicate that installing a heavy *** flywheel will increase spooling rate. I can't find the difference between our arguments. Aren't we both saying that they don't spool up as fast because there's less weight?

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