difference between ralliart and Gts
Sep 12, 2010, 04:13 PM
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If your objective is to have your car go as fast as possible, SST is the way. People traditionnaly picked manual transmission because they allowed them to get the most out of their car.
But, I don't know anyone who can shift faster using a standard trans than the SST does. So the argument that manual = more performance does not hold anymore.
But if you personnaly prefer manual and don't put perfornance as a priority, GTS is the way. You got a fun car that is manual.
But Ralliart bring you a lot:
-> Lot of powerful ( stock power and a lot of modding potential)
-> Shifts faster than ANY manual transmission (and retain the ability to manually pick your gear, and with GST Tune, it much more responsive than it is stock).
-> Offer you the convenience of an automatic in heavy traffic (while still having the opportunity to quickly downshift to take advantage of an empty lane
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-> Is comfortable as a daily driver (the EVO X is NOT a comfortable daily driver)
Etc... I could go on for a very long list.
And, driving manual does not make your more man... It simply used to be the way to go for real performance, but it no longer is... Manual is soon gonna be outdated (as soon as the market offer mods that will increase it Torque tolerance over the 450-500 WTQ we have right now).
But, I don't know anyone who can shift faster using a standard trans than the SST does. So the argument that manual = more performance does not hold anymore.
But if you personnaly prefer manual and don't put perfornance as a priority, GTS is the way. You got a fun car that is manual.
But Ralliart bring you a lot:
-> Lot of powerful ( stock power and a lot of modding potential)
-> Shifts faster than ANY manual transmission (and retain the ability to manually pick your gear, and with GST Tune, it much more responsive than it is stock).
-> Offer you the convenience of an automatic in heavy traffic (while still having the opportunity to quickly downshift to take advantage of an empty lane
)-> Is comfortable as a daily driver (the EVO X is NOT a comfortable daily driver)
Etc... I could go on for a very long list.
And, driving manual does not make your more man... It simply used to be the way to go for real performance, but it no longer is... Manual is soon gonna be outdated (as soon as the market offer mods that will increase it Torque tolerance over the 450-500 WTQ we have right now).
and also, manuals are usually cheaper, easier to take care of, less expensive to maintain, and less expensive to fix. it also lets you "feel" what the car is doing better than an auto car. yeah, an SST may be faster around a track or something, but manual transmissions are for the people that really want to enjoy their car all day every day.
thank you very much, ill keep my manual transmission
about your stuck in traffic situation, how often does that happen? I have a stage 3 ACT clutch in my car, its very heavy, and I've just gotten so used to it, it doesnt even phase me anymore. people get in my car, push the clutch half way down because its so hard, and think thats all the way down. im like "nope, keep pushing!"
Sep 12, 2010, 07:24 PM
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From what I understand, clutch pack are able to sustain much more stress than conventionnal clutches.
Also, a lot of drag cars that I know that are doing less than 10 on the quarter mile are using automatic transmission because using manual transmission was actually negatively impacting their times. Which proves that even conventional automatic transmission can hold quite a lot of power!
The only real, concrete advantage to manual is just that it's more fun... That's it. But if you are going for power as most of you guys probably are, SST is the way to go. The time where manual was the best choice for track is past...
Sep 13, 2010, 04:38 AM
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Also, let's see which Evo X track cars are running the best times. I'll bet you don't find the SST running the best times.
Sep 13, 2010, 06:00 AM
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Go to the Evo X section and let me know which transmission is making more power. The SST is limited in its max TQ capabilities. It is also limited in it potential for upgrades, not to mention the price of upgrading the clutch packs.
Also, let's see which Evo X track cars are running the best times. I'll bet you don't find the SST running the best times.
Also, let's see which Evo X track cars are running the best times. I'll bet you don't find the SST running the best times.
This is no indication of the real potential or limitations of the SST. Wait a few year once it gets more common.
Sep 13, 2010, 10:58 AM
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yea.... but the whole thing is I am not looking to make a track car... just want to pep up my gts.... I like driving standard transmission. I learned to drive in a standard so thats what I prefer to drive. not to mention if I need to fix parts in my car I'm sure it will cost a whole lot less that a car with the sst.
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yea.... but the whole thing is I am not looking to make a track car... just want to pep up my gts.... I like driving standard transmission. I learned to drive in a standard so thats what I prefer to drive. not to mention if I need to fix parts in my car I'm sure it will cost a whole lot less that a car with the sst.
There's a limit to modding a car, a time when you should ask yourself if it makes sense.
If you want to keep you GTS but get a reasonable performing car, here is my opinion on aftermarket turbo kit for the 4B11 is, why buy a 4500$ turbo kit and kill your reliability when you could buy an engine + ECU from a wrecked EVO X GSR for just a little more and actually have the stronger internals and all the power potential of the EVO X? Plus, you get a spare working engine you could put back in the if you blow you 4B11T
Oct 21, 2010, 01:59 PM
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I understand your point, but mmy point is, if you're looking for performance (rather than just a kool economy car) and can't afford buying and modding and EVO X or similar inexpensive performance car, the Ralliart is a very good compromise because you actually get an engine with the same internal as the EVO X (so you can bolt on most of the bolt for or from the EVO X) and you get one of the best transmission in the world.
There's a limit to modding a car, a time when you should ask yourself if it makes sense.
If you want to keep you GTS but get a reasonable performing car, here is my opinion on aftermarket turbo kit for the 4B11 is, why buy a 4500$ turbo kit and kill your reliability when you could buy an engine + ECU from a wrecked EVO X GSR for just a little more and actually have the stronger internals and all the power potential of the EVO X? Plus, you get a spare working engine you could put back in the if you blow you 4B11T
There's a limit to modding a car, a time when you should ask yourself if it makes sense.
If you want to keep you GTS but get a reasonable performing car, here is my opinion on aftermarket turbo kit for the 4B11 is, why buy a 4500$ turbo kit and kill your reliability when you could buy an engine + ECU from a wrecked EVO X GSR for just a little more and actually have the stronger internals and all the power potential of the EVO X? Plus, you get a spare working engine you could put back in the if you blow you 4B11T
Oct 21, 2010, 06:10 PM
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but even then at the end of the day you have an unreliable FWD turbo lancer.
but if the guy is convinced the manual ecobox will be enough for him then let it be. whatever makes the person happy.
me personally would have gotten the ralliart, and if it would have had to go to the GTS, i wouldnt even have considered it if i wanted performance. i would have got another car like a genesis or something that can be a real performance car. or at least at worst, a civic Si, something you can make good power out of.
Oct 22, 2010, 02:43 PM
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if i couldnt get an evo x, and it was between a manual GTS and automatic ralliart, id take the GTS. yes, i love driving manual transmission that much
