kikiturbo

if it is not too bumpy I think you should be fine, but hard to say because we have very bumpy roads over here so anything too stiff is just too much..

Ohlins is fine with stiff springs comfort wise, but I am not sure how the rears will do with 14K instead of 8K spring.. I would look into custom valved shocks.. There are people doing trackdays on ohlins with specific valving on this forum, maybe you should look into that solution..

LV///R

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Without a doubt, these would be custom valved by Performance Shock if/or when I go this route! I did mention that in my initial post.

Robevo RS

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just an observation of mine i have to ask. Probably means nothing for most people, but I am always wondered about this high stiff set ups, actually pumped up even more with antiroll bits, like sway bars etc.

Why are you guys against body roll so much? To me, that is the best way to feel, and control weight transfer...
I mean if you run, you want to make sure you load the tires and suspension before turns for better handling, and power delivering out of the corner to the tires. With too stiff set ups its just like sliding the cookies on the plate, to me.

I mean I got the higher spring rates and sway bar but to compere to what?

Where I am going wrong on this?

kikiturbo

it is a track vs rally thing... in rally evo's will run somewhat soft springs, even on tarmac

I can't comment on autocross setup because I never run such wide tires, but IMHO on such short tracks it is good to have stiffer rear to help turn in, much more so than on open wide tracks like for time attack..

didnt see that about you going for custom valving.. that will be great. I think ohlins might be the best solution, as those are really comfy even on stiff springs which will be good for DD... and still you can basically set them up for AutoX..

Dallas J

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Body roll = camber loss. higher ride height = high CG but lower ride height = camber loss in bump (unless fixed). So high grip mean lots of neg camber and stiff springs to keep tires in happy place.

Feel doesn't mean anything if the car rolls over the tires and grip is lost.

EVOizmm

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body roll also has negative effects on aero.

Ideally you want to correct the roll center to reduce body roll, then run softer springs vs going SUPER stiff.

LetsGetThisDone

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I think the poll results speak for themselves here...lol

Robevo RS

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thanks for the input guys

nemsin

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MCS 1 ways > Ohlins R&T. Why?
-MCS is based in the US and has quick turn around on service/support.
-The MCS will be valved for the whatever spring rates you want.
-MCS 1 ways are upgradable to 2 and 3 way if your needs grow later on.
-Lex at MCS actually answers the phone if/when you need support.
-MCS is run by the guys that ran/sold Moton to AST. The MCS line was made from a clean sheet to improve on their previous designs.
-Vorshlag recommends MCS, and they know a thing or two about suspension.

xBoostx

I was originally running Flatout coilovers.

xBoostx

MCS doesnt valve for a specific spring rate. Their shocks can run anything up to a 1000lb spring right out of the box.



Im going to share little info I was given.

Ohlins for the money is the best bang for the buck on budget.

Nothing under $5000 is as good as MCS. That includes JRZ, AST, KW etc.
When you buy MCS you buy a REAL motorsports shock absorber. I wont give up my source but it is a very reputable team.

So for a competition level shock, MCS is the go to if you dont wanna spend more than $6k.

maybe i should post a dyno

kyoo

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http://motioncontrolsuspension.com/pricing/

so the 1way starts at 2750, which is in the ballpark i guess, minus springs etc. has anyone tested MCS & ohlins back to back? I'm assuming ohlins provides better ride quality on the soft settings, but maybe not?

nemsin

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What do you mean by 'ride quality'? The MCS should have better damping, so all other things being equal (i.e., springs), the MCS should perform better. Maybe vorshlag has some shock dyno info they could compare.

https://vorshlag-store.com/collections/evo-8-9-suspension

kyoo

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like, softness for my back. i'm genuinely curious. i don't doubt they're "better" at performance, was just wondering about the rides to and from the racetrack

nemsin

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As long as your roads are decent, and you don't go overboard on spring rates (like 14k+), you will be fine. I have MCS 1 ways (11K/12k) and its a pleasure to drive. Anyone in the PNW is welcome to ride passenger (when the snow melts).

I did a lot of research when I was looking into a new suspension. I read up on, and spoke with people who I consider in the know, before deciding to go with MCS. Call Vorshlag, tell them your goals and ask them what they recommend and why.