Cheap. Fast. Reliable. Pick two. (Evo IX Build)
Mar 11, 2010, 10:58 AM
#1
Cheap. Fast. Reliable. Pick two. (Evo IX Build)
Cheap + Fast != Reliable
Fast + Reliable != Cheap
Reliable + Cheap != Fast
I'm willing to spend the money to make the car both fast and reliable.
How much reliability am I about to sacrifice as soon as I put these mods on my car?
Here is my build, this to be tuned with Tephra on 91 octane for HPDEs.
Replacement OEM gaskets:
Fast + Reliable != Cheap
Reliable + Cheap != Fast
I'm willing to spend the money to make the car both fast and reliable.
How much reliability am I about to sacrifice as soon as I put these mods on my car?
Here is my build, this to be tuned with Tephra on 91 octane for HPDEs.
- Ported BBK-Full Turbo
- Mil.Spec Ported 65mm Throttle Body
- MAP V2 65mm Ported Intake Manifold
- CBRE Ported/Swain Tech Ceramic Coated White Lightning Exhaust Manifold
- FIC 1050cc injectors (E85 Ready)
- Walbro 255 lph Fuel Pump
- GSC S2 Cams
- GSC Beehive Valve Springs + Retainers
- - Perrin Intake
- - ETS LICP
- ETS Short Route UICP (Mini Battery Installed)
- ETS 3.5" FMIC
- Titek V2 O2 Housing
- TRE 12 Plate Max-Lock Rear Diff
- PF97 Pads (F)/Bluestuff Pads (R)
- DBA 5000 Rotors (F)/EBC High Carbon Blanks (R)
- ATE Super Blue
- Whiteline Roll Center Adjustment Kit
- MR Bilstein Struts + Swift Spec-R Coils
- Exedy Organic Stage 1 Clutch (400 wtq) - 05803HD
- Exedy Lightweight Chromoly Flywheel - MF04
Replacement OEM gaskets:
- Valve Cover Gasket - MD340535 (x1)
- TB Gasket - Mil.Spec
- IM Gasket - Hondata
- EXM Gasket - MR323654 (x1)
- Cam Seals Main/Oil - MD372536 (x2)
- Turbo to EXM Gasket (Inlet) - 1515A184 (x1)
- Turbo to O2 Gasket (Outlet) - MR299686 (x1)
- O2 Doughnut Gasket - MR450703 (x1)
- Turbo to Pan Tube Gaskets/Washers - 1226A002 (x1), MR258477 (x1), MF660063 (x4), MF660064 (x4), MF660065 (x4), MR281085 (x1)
- Plug Gaskets - MD186785 (x4)
- Hardware - MN119783 (x4), MF140260 (x1), MD050076 (x2), MD041192 (x7), MR224500 (x2), MR212302 (x7), MD132933 (x11), MR224441 (x2), MD050073 (x2), MD062961 (x3)
- New plugs - NGK Laser Iridium ILFR7H Spark Plug
- T-Clamps
Last edited by golgo13; Apr 3, 2014 at 01:45 PM. Reason: Updated parts list
Mar 11, 2010, 11:10 AM
#2
Not so sure the reliability is in the mods so much as the tune and how you drive it. Why the speed density? Has not been shown to make significant gains at low(sub 500bhp) levels and can be difficult to dial in which might be counter productive to the reliability you seek.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-w-no-maf.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-w-no-maf.html
Last edited by 4xforce; Mar 11, 2010 at 11:21 AM. Reason: Add link
Mar 11, 2010, 01:19 PM
#7
Not so sure the reliability is in the mods so much as the tune and how you drive it. Why the speed density? Has not been shown to make significant gains at low(sub 500bhp) levels and can be difficult to dial in which might be counter productive to the reliability you seek.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-w-no-maf.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-w-no-maf.html
GST thinks SD is unnecessary as well, so I'll remove those parts from the list. That alone will save me ~$835.
Stock.
No idea how long it will last or how it should hold up, but might as well right it until it dies.
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Mar 11, 2010, 01:44 PM
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I like that saying, but reliability depends on the tune, driving habits, and maintenance as much as anything. Is your evo strictly a DD with some track time? Weekend joy ride? AutoX? These factors will all play into the reliability of your car.
A good rule of thumb seems to be around 450-500 hp with stock internals, trans, etc, for reliability. Lots of threads on that subject already, with varying perspectives. Let the flames begin!
A good rule of thumb seems to be around 450-500 hp with stock internals, trans, etc, for reliability. Lots of threads on that subject already, with varying perspectives. Let the flames begin!
Last edited by JJsEvo8; Mar 11, 2010 at 01:55 PM.
Mar 11, 2010, 01:56 PM
#9
Cheap + Fast != Reliable
Fast + Reliable != Cheap
Reliable + Cheap != Fast
My Evo is my daily driver, I put ~100 miles on it M-F, so it needs to stay reliable.
I'm willing to spend the money to make the car both fast and reliable.
How much reliablitly am I about to sacrifice as soon as I put these mods on my car?
Here is my build, this to be tuned with Speed Density on 91 octane.
BBK Full Turbo Kit
Forge Adjustable Wastegate Actuator
1000cc PTE injectors
Walbro 255 lph Fuel Pump
Kelford 272 Camshafts
Supertech Double Valve Springs + Retainers
ARP Head Studs
ETS LICP
ETS 3.5" FMIC
Perrin 4.5" Filter and MAF Adapter
Stock Intake Airbox (Modded)
EVO X 3 bar MAP Sensor
GM IAT Sensor / Bung (3/8" NPT)
Zeitronix ZT-2 Wideband O2 Sensor
Stock UICP
Titek Racing O2 Housing
Port/Polish/Coated Stock Manifold
Fast + Reliable != Cheap
Reliable + Cheap != Fast
My Evo is my daily driver, I put ~100 miles on it M-F, so it needs to stay reliable.
I'm willing to spend the money to make the car both fast and reliable.
How much reliablitly am I about to sacrifice as soon as I put these mods on my car?
Here is my build, this to be tuned with Speed Density on 91 octane.
BBK Full Turbo Kit
Forge Adjustable Wastegate Actuator
1000cc PTE injectors
Walbro 255 lph Fuel Pump
Kelford 272 Camshafts
Supertech Double Valve Springs + Retainers
ARP Head Studs
ETS LICP
ETS 3.5" FMIC
Perrin 4.5" Filter and MAF Adapter
Stock Intake Airbox (Modded)
EVO X 3 bar MAP Sensor
GM IAT Sensor / Bung (3/8" NPT)
Zeitronix ZT-2 Wideband O2 Sensor
Stock UICP
Titek Racing O2 Housing
Port/Polish/Coated Stock Manifold
Cheap + Fast =Not Reliable
Fast + Reliable = Not Cheap
Reliable + Cheap = Not Fast
And the mod list you have there is not very extreme. A nice tune with that setup should be a good DD as long as your take care of her.
Last edited by evoIXcencal83; Mar 11, 2010 at 01:58 PM.
Mar 11, 2010, 02:04 PM
#10
I would also hold off on the head studs at this point unless youre planning on going well over 30 psi. The OEM ones should be good, your motors only at peak boost like 5% of the time. Most DD situation I never even make it past 10 psi.
Last edited by evoIXcencal83; Mar 11, 2010 at 02:06 PM.
Mar 11, 2010, 02:08 PM
#12
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutor...bolts/op2.html
I would think it is better to be safe than sorry?
If E85 ever gets easy enough for me to fill every 3-4 days, I'll be switching over so Bryan can up the boost, etc.
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