Coilovers - Street and Track
Jun 15, 2012, 11:27 AM
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Holy giant post Batman.
You can find bad reviews for HSD as well. Like I said, it doesn't matter what the product is, someone out there likes it and someone out there does not. People on here stood by Ksport, yet it's garbage. Same with Megan, a lot of Subaru guys love Megan and don't see why anyone would buy KW, Ohlin, etc. However, when the suspension is actually objectively tested, meaning a shock dyno, none of these cheap brands hold up.
An entire thread on HSD coilovers.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...oil-overs.html
You can find bad reviews for HSD as well. Like I said, it doesn't matter what the product is, someone out there likes it and someone out there does not. People on here stood by Ksport, yet it's garbage. Same with Megan, a lot of Subaru guys love Megan and don't see why anyone would buy KW, Ohlin, etc. However, when the suspension is actually objectively tested, meaning a shock dyno, none of these cheap brands hold up.
An entire thread on HSD coilovers.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...oil-overs.html
Jun 15, 2012, 02:14 PM
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No I didn't. You can shock dyno any suspension setup out there, but it doesn't mean it's good. I also said the fact someone, somewhere, said Fortune Auto is good does not make it good; there are people that stand by those electric superchargers. If it's my money, I would spend it on a kit from a manufacturer with a reputation for performance, which Fortune Auto does not have. It's not in the same league as Bilstein, Ohlin, KW, Tein, AST, Koni, etc. and for that reason alone, I would not spend $1000+ on a kit from them.
Jun 15, 2012, 02:52 PM
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Holy giant post Batman.
You can find bad reviews for HSD as well. Like I said, it doesn't matter what the product is, someone out there likes it and someone out there does not. People on here stood by Ksport, yet it's garbage. Same with Megan, a lot of Subaru guys love Megan and don't see why anyone would buy KW, Ohlin, etc. However, when the suspension is actually objectively tested, meaning a shock dyno, none of these cheap brands hold up.
You can find bad reviews for HSD as well. Like I said, it doesn't matter what the product is, someone out there likes it and someone out there does not. People on here stood by Ksport, yet it's garbage. Same with Megan, a lot of Subaru guys love Megan and don't see why anyone would buy KW, Ohlin, etc. However, when the suspension is actually objectively tested, meaning a shock dyno, none of these cheap brands hold up.
Reputation doesn't mean better it many times just better known. If I were to buy on reputation I would have bought a Subaru because in the US of A Mitsubishi might aswell be a Yugo.
Jun 15, 2012, 03:02 PM
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Left the post in its largely untouched manner. I honestly don't care what you are going to buy but please don't say that you didn't say what you said. Anywho... Arguing reputation when you drive a Mitsubishi is ironic seeing how most of America thinks a Kia is better then anything that Mitsu makes.
Reputation doesn't mean better it many times just better known. If I were to buy on reputation I would have bought a Subaru because in the US of A Mitsubishi might aswell be a Yugo.
Reputation doesn't mean better it many times just better known. If I were to buy on reputation I would have bought a Subaru because in the US of A Mitsubishi might aswell be a Yugo.
I don't drive a Mitsubishi anymore. I'll offer an analogy using the brands you referenced. Do you see people driving Kia competitively? Do you see people, independent people mind, not those sponsored by a specific brand, using Ksport, Megan, HSD, Fortune Auto in competitive motorsports?
If all you care about is slamming your car, a cheap brand works. If that's your goal, you don't give a **** about performance anyways so it doesn't matter. However, I'm assuming the OP wants real performance, not poser, hellaflush performance thus I think he is better off spending his money on a reputable brand.
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Jun 15, 2012, 03:57 PM
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Do you see people, independent people mind, not those sponsored by a specific brand, using Ksport, Megan, HSD, Fortune Auto in competitive motorsports?
http://www.fortune-auto.net/shocktech.htm
You logic of "only use well known companies" is the equivalent of saying "he who spends the most for the advertising must be the best" or "if they say it on TV it must be true".
It would seem based on this comment:
If you don't recognize a brand and it's not popular among championship winning racers, it's not worth your business.
Do you see people driving Kia competitively?
http://www.grand-am.com/Standings/ContinentalTire.aspx
I said, when tested objectively, none of these cheap brands hold up.
And the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT statement you made:
I don't drive a Mitsubishi anymore.
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Jun 15, 2012, 04:06 PM
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Yes (look at the bottom for competitors who have won with their products):
http://www.fortune-auto.net/shocktech.htm
You logic of "only use well known companies" is the equivalent of saying "he who spends the most for the advertising must be the best" or "if they say it on TV it must be true".
It would seem based on this comment:
that the concept of business diffusion completely escapes you. Just because you happen to be a late majority type consumer, does not mean that innovators or early adopters are wrong in their product selection.
Apparently you have never heard of Grand-Am racing, let alone the hugely dominating Kinetic Kia's
http://www.grand-am.com/Standings/ContinentalTire.aspx
Again, false
http://www.fortune-auto.net/shocktech.htm
You logic of "only use well known companies" is the equivalent of saying "he who spends the most for the advertising must be the best" or "if they say it on TV it must be true".
It would seem based on this comment:
that the concept of business diffusion completely escapes you. Just because you happen to be a late majority type consumer, does not mean that innovators or early adopters are wrong in their product selection.
Apparently you have never heard of Grand-Am racing, let alone the hugely dominating Kinetic Kia's
http://www.grand-am.com/Standings/ContinentalTire.aspx
Again, false
That's not the logic at all. In fact, I don't see Bilstein, KW, or Ohlin advertising as much as the other guys. When I open an import magazine, I see far more advertisements for lower brands. Same with on forums. Bilstein, KW, Ohlin, etc. don't need to advertise nearly as much because they've already proven themselves.
OK, I'll clarify. Do you see amateurs using Kias for series like Time Attack? This point is largely irrelevant anyways as it was purely in response to another poster's comments about Mitsubishi. Yes Kia is present in racing, or at least in one series. My point was simply that if these lower brands were as good as people said they were, they'd be used by people who need good suspension at a competitive price, namely racers. We don't see that at all.
OK, prove to me that these lower brands are on par with Ohlin, KW, Tein, AST, etc. So far, it's been all talk from the "supporters". I want real proof.
The fact remains that you get what you pay for. If you buy a $1000 set of coilovers, it'll perform like a $1000 set of coilovers. If you buy a more expensive kit from a reputable brand, it'll perform better. Good shocks don't come cheap. If you don't want to spend big bucks, that's fine, it's your car after all, but don't go spreading false information about how these entry-level, bargain basement kits are somehow comparable to the kits made by Ohlin, KW, Bilstein, or any of the other long-established brands.
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Jun 15, 2012, 04:16 PM
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The fact remains that you get what you pay for. If you buy a $1000 set of coilovers, it'll perform like a $1000 set of coilovers. If you buy a more expensive kit from a reputable brand, it'll perform better. Good shocks don't come cheap. If you don't want to spend big bucks, that's fine, it's your car after all, but don't go spreading false information about how these entry-level, bargain basement kits are somehow comparable to the kits made by Ohlin, KW, Bilstein, or any of the other long-established brands.
Who's "spreading false information"?
Not one statement in this thread said $1000 coilovers are comparable to Ohlins, whatever. What it did say was the valving in the 510's and Dreadnaughts are on par with the valving in the "more expensive brands".
You are trying to take two extreme's, apply them absolutes, and make a stance. Once again, you are simply arguing to argue
Jun 15, 2012, 04:41 PM
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None of that works. Why would you take the cheapest street coilover and try to compare them to a track coilover? No one would ever hope to get a $1000 coilover to keep up with a $4000, that's just silly. But you can get $2500 coilovers that will compete with the $4000 "well known brands".
Who's "spreading false information"?
Not one statement in this thread said $1000 coilovers are comparable to Ohlins, whatever. What it did say was the valving in the 510's and Dreadnaughts are on par with the valving in the "more expensive brands".
You are trying to take two extreme's, apply them absolutes, and make a stance. Once again, you are simply arguing to argue
Who's "spreading false information"?
Not one statement in this thread said $1000 coilovers are comparable to Ohlins, whatever. What it did say was the valving in the 510's and Dreadnaughts are on par with the valving in the "more expensive brands".
You are trying to take two extreme's, apply them absolutes, and make a stance. Once again, you are simply arguing to argue
That's not what I'm doing at all, but feel free to attack me personally again, I'm sure that will end well
.Yes, I'm trolling. I've been here for nearly 10 years now but I've just been trolling the entire time
. I'm providing honest advice to help the OP but no, you're right, I'm just trolling.
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Jun 15, 2012, 09:18 PM
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There is no need to get in to personal attacks. Everyone can express a point or two without getting overly defensive and off topic.
I think the debate is pretty interesting so far.
I think the debate is pretty interesting so far.
Jun 16, 2012, 07:30 AM
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Well, kw only sell the v2 and not the v3 for the ralliart or for that matter the club sport would would have been perfect for my applicant, and bilstein and ohlins don't make coil overs for the ralliart. The only proper track coil overs that I've really come across is suprashock which are completely custom to ones needs and driving style and are built around it, but don't really want to fork out $10k... Would be good to know if there are any track orientated coil overs under $4k for the ralliart
On a side note, have found out that my racing logic can be fully rebuilt
On a side note, have found out that my racing logic can be fully rebuilt
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Jun 16, 2012, 10:10 AM
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Well, kw only sell the v2 and not the v3 for the ralliart or for that matter the club sport would would have been perfect for my applicant, and bilstein and ohlins don't make coil overs for the ralliart. The only proper track coil overs that I've really come across is suprashock which are completely custom to ones needs and driving style and are built around it, but don't really want to fork out $10k... Would be good to know if there are any track orientated coil overs under $4k for the ralliart
On a side note, have found out that my racing logic can be fully rebuilt
On a side note, have found out that my racing logic can be fully rebuilt
Jun 16, 2012, 02:17 PM
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AST will make a kit for your car. Therein lies the beauty of companies like AST which will make you a custom kit. That's probably far outside of the OP's budget though. The KWs I linked are not badly priced.
I used Ohlin, Bilstein, etc. as examples of quality manufacturers. However, don't let things like facts get in you way, I know they haven't in the past
.The cheapest KWs are far more track suited than anything by Fortune Auto, Ksport, Megan, etc.