Wilwood Superlite BBK for Ralliart with EvoX Rotors.
 

Ok kids, my friends at (googles) "fastbrakes" made this kit for me on request to replace the crappy Ralliart Brakes on our Sportback.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3...WilwoodBBK.jpg

I had the same kit on my 2005 Maxima and I beat the piss out of that car on the track. This kit held up and took a beating like no other.

Price will be $915 plus shipping. Including, pads, ss lines, brackets, calipers, bolts, evox rotors, instructions and assembly oil.

I'll post up who i got it from once I test it on my car.

:coffee:

I like it. I hope it works out!

Ya man I had this kit on my 2005 Maxima and I beat the living Fuuuuuk otta that car. Like beat the ffffff out of it at the local track. And i could always count on the brakes to be infallible.

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Part of the reason that I never fit Wilwood calipers to my car was that I just went full-retard and put the Z06 brakes on. The price for this kit it right. I am impressed.

It looks like I need to make like Dr. Dre and head back to the lab. Cue the music.

very nice price on a kit that appears to be using Wilwood 6piston calipers...

Are planning on doing a rear kit w/ EvoX rotors too?

Are those really 6 pot? They look a little small in the first photo. But look great on the car, what size rims on that car?

no boys these are 4 pots. Just like my last car. I cant see a reason to justify extra $150 per caliper for an extra 2 pots

my bad, I was just about to correct myself after looking these calipers up on Wilwood's site, but it looks like TheNEWB beat me to it.

Awesome price! I would love to have those... I hate the mushy pedal/brake fade after like 3 laps at the track lol

This will be the end of that. :)

I'm waiting to receive them for testing and abuse {pcfreak}............ {thumbup}

Once it passes my deranged driving and braking tests the manufacturer will begin making more. :)

What kind of pads come with this kit? Nevermind I see the hawk box in the pic so I would assume those are the pads that come with the kit.

Usually ferodo d2500. Xcepf I ordered dtc and Hp+ with mine.

So is that a no to a rear brake kit aswell? :(

If there are different pad options for this kit, please share :)

http://www.wilwood.com/BrakePads/Bra...20Internal%204


All the wilwood pads you can think off and 90% of the entire HAWK lineup. From DTC to Blue to Ceramic to HPS or HP+.

This is one of the most universal calipers out there......... :thumbup:

KAM meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee IN!

See what i did there? lol (only noob will understand)

Nice work Mr NEWB. I can vouch for a quality set of 4 pot calipers (along with the rest of the kit) will inspire new found confidence with your car. I went the AP Racing route myself but these are priced really well. {thumbup}

Please ask for a non drilled rotor option... slotted only {thumbup} Looks good other than that! Also interested in a rear setup.

Aahhh man I can't wait! Hope it all works out... in the meantime when you get them on beat the s**t out of them and see if they take it and ask for more!! Hahaha{pick}:shoot:

lol!!! :d

They have, blank, slotted, drilled, dimpled or any of the combinations.
However their drilled and slotted rotors come with a lifetime anti cracking warranty.

I hope the kit works out because i want one and hopefully it will get popular enough for your to offer a rear kit as well. Now can the buyer get their choice in pads? Say I want a ceramic pad?

sub'd also interested in rears... brakes are too small on the RA

You have a choice in pads, the company building the kit will provide me with various pad pricing and I can paste that into the thread here.

The rear brakes are not small at all, they are actually almost evo size and unless your tracking your evo at like Watkins Glen in 105F heat you wont need to upgrade the rears.............. EVER. I will ask them about a rear kit though that uses evo Rotors. The issues comes down to finding properly sized rear caliper pistons.

This may seem like a dumb question, but I'm trying to make sense of this. Basically what you're saying is that this kit uses the exact same rotor dimensions as the OEM EvoX rotors? Thus any other option (2-piece, etc) for EvoX rotors would work with this kit as well?

Also, I would be interested in a rear kit, too (honestly, mostly for aesthetic reasons since I track very infrequently, though a more-balanced system would still be nice in any necessary instances)

This kit uses "evo x rotors"

So you could get anything that the x can use for rotors. 2 piece etc.

I can't wait to get these on!

This kit is such a good deal!!! To bad I already went with the Z06 brake kit or else I would of jump on this kit myself.

Yes sir any EvoX rotors will work on this kit.

Yes this is correct

Both brake kits are fantastic, i know the Z06 kid has been thoroughly tested on the track by a few members, I have tested a version of this kit a long time ago on my 250whp maxima and it was fantastic. I hope this kit does the same :)

How is the testing going? Any pictures mounted on the Ralliart?

sub'd

still waiting on manufacturer for brake lines. The company ordered like 100x sets of lines for this kit so they are standing by for them before they ship to me. Sorry about the delay folks. :/

NEWB

update

pARTS ARE en-route to ME :)

MUAHAHHAH

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I hope this kit works out.

sub'd as im on my 3 set of stock size rotors :( warpin bad

When I was on stock brakes, the rotors survived very well, but the pads exploded. And the pads were more than twice the cost of the rotors! :rolleyes:

Rich

Any update on this?

I will be making a kit with rears that should work with this as a front.

+1

Hey NFSLancerRA,
Did you stop production on your C5/C6 front bracket kits because of this wilwood option?

Not exactly, but I won't be beaten at my own game. :lol:

stay away from puddles will you? :)

Kit is done.

http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/ralliart-12.6.htm

go figure the site is down temporarily, back end server on the hosting side went down. They are working on it.

in the mean time, contact Brian @ Fastbrakes. Email below for kit and pricing.

sales@fastbrakes.com

My kit arrived a few days ago. :-)

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3...D9959B3BC8.jpg

The caliper is freaking huuuuuge!!! and its so light!! It will definitely improve braking and steering response.

Hopefully this will not be a limited Production run. I'll be eying this kit for december/feb purchase. =D

I want these!

Maybe I can ask :santa:
Cant wait to see them on the car.

I visited Fastbrakes.com and there is also a 6 piston caliper option!

http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/ralliart-12.6.htm

stop your car, save your life.

too bad. they dont ship to canada

Uhm im In toronto. Unless Calgary is now somehow part of Russia.................

email Brian at sales@fastbrakes.com make sure you ask for teh Evo10 rotor option.

I think they have two kits in place, evo9 and evoX rotors. Evo9 brakes will fit under 17" rims. Clearly the evoX ones will not.

NEWB

Ok so my mistake. This kit uses the evo9 rotor. Since I asked for it to fit under the 17" rim...... FML. They are asking if there is enough interest to make a kit that will fit the evoX rotor. Since these wilwood calipers only clear brakes up to 13" in size the next step up caliper is $$$$. However u will outbreak an Evo any day.

All i want is some rears eventually =D. As long as the Rotors are easy to replace i don't care.

This will be the caliper used in the Evo10 rotor size.

http://www.wilwood.com/Images/Calipe...-Nickel-lg.jpg
https://www.lgmotorsports.com/images...20GT%20Kit.jpg

On what do you base this? Number of pistons? This claim makes no sense.

Ok sorry. Both calipers have the same piston size area as factory Ralliart brakes.

The calipers in my post will only clear rotors up to 13" in size maximum hence why they use the evo9 rotor. (Superlite)

The bigger calipers (w6a model) will clear evoX rotors but they come with 6 piston design only and will not clear 17" rims.

My apologies for the confusion.

Best to speak with fastbrakes directly for specific info.

Biggest question is what is the price difference?!

$915 = 12.6" evo9 rotor
$1160 = 13.8" evoX rotor

For fronts only...

Are there any big price differences in the pads or rotors over the long run between the evo9 and 10?

TheNEWB, have you installed these yet?

something to ask the boys at fastbrakes in regards to pricing.

Im getting the 6piston evoX kit. No point in doing it twice.

Do you have one of those places near you that can perform brake system tests? I have one that can do a full test and summary, including front/rear bias. I'm keen to see how the IX and X rotor styles stack up for bias, when the rest of the RA braking system is left stock.

Rich

I should have a rear done and mounted for this kit within the week, if anyone is interested.

I wonder if a bracket for the rear to reuse the stock front rotors and caliper would be enough to match evo x willwood kit. That seems like the most affordable solution..then again I'm no engineer:p

Front and rear rotors are a totally different animal.

highly intrested in this and a rear option


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So is the C6Z06 project dead in the water? PMing for info

Would the rears you will be releasing also work with the front Z06?

That is a fact. :D

there was a botch up on the website... the 13.8 kit (does not include rotors) is $995 in black and an additional 160 i think for red. He is fixing it now and it should be good to go shortly, if not just call to order rather than going to the site.

:)

Well folks these are ready to go. No waiting. Just email or order through fastbrakes.

1 thing I can tell you is that like before I abused the living hell out of my brakes on my maxima and even on the tighter technical tracks I never had brake
Fade. Simply strong Trouble free stopping. And that was with Hawk pads.

This kit comes with much nicer ferodos.

Newb

ferodos are only on the 4piston kit. the 6 pistons will not take the standard ferodo pads as they are too thick.

Hey TheNewb, did you ever snap some shots of these on your car?

not yet, winter came with -20C temps and I went into hibernation.

They are still in the garage awaiting warmer climates for install.

Im cheap and i wont pay to have someone install it since I can do it in my garage. But I also hate ZE COLD! {pcfreak}

Prolly end of april I will put them on the car.

Le NEWB

Installation Update? :confused:

Im also interested in Update!!

well looking at TheNewb sig he upgraded to an X GSR :eek:.

I guess we will never know how these fit.

These fit the stock RA rims?

TheNewb didn't get rid of his RA, it's just his winter car (PM'ed me).

So all we can do is wait..

Update? Site is still up and selling them it looks like (Evo 9 Rotor option). http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/...liart-12.6.htm

This is the thing with this wilwood kit. PAD CONTACT. The Evo 9 rotors are a bit bigger than the stock RA rotors (320mm vs 294mm, roughly 1" larger). But look at the pads that the Wilwood kit uses, vs the STOCK RA pads. The stock RA pads have JUST as much pad contact surface area as the wilwood 4 pots that the kit uses, if not more....

Wilwood.........
http://www.wilwood.com/Images/BrakeP...wings/7420.jpg

OEM RA.......
http://centriccatalog.com/Inquiry/.....5C10X05300.jpg


Braking is all about surface area, friction coefficient, hydraulic pressure, and moment arm length. A caliper doesn't increase hydraulic clamping pressure at all. That is determined by the brake master cylinder and booster. So if you aren't getting an increase in rotor diameter and pad contact, how is it really increasing performance? Would you spend $1000 to relocate your stock calipers out to gain .5" of rotor radius? Because that is all this kit is doing. It is literally no different than if someone made a bracket to fit the dinky stock RA calipers to a slightly larger rotor. Not knocking this kit at all, but just trying to help people understand. If you are sticking with the stock pad contact area, there are MUCH cheaper options, like a nice set of stoptech rotors and Hawk pads, which will perform, just as good as this small kit. Either get a big brake kit, or stay stock. spending money on a Wilwood kit that replaces stock calipers with a caliper that takes stock sized brake pads is laughable, in my humble opinion.

Whoops! Sorry boy, yes still have the car. Forgot to upload pics.

The economy wilwood kit is based on the evo9 rotor, which works surprisingly well.

I beat on these brakes all winter with zero issues. Just an awesome setup and unlike the factory brakes that would overheat the stock rotors in one good heavy braking session, non of that happens with this kit.

I drive this thing like I stole it and for the money the kit is flat out awesome.

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Mind you, I'm using, $30 rotors from Napa or something cheesy like that and I'm far more impressed with these brakes then what comes on this car from the factory.

Now imagine this kit, with DS2500 pads and GyroDisc rotors?

PURE SHEX

Thanks for the update. Looks like they survived a ruff winter.

added this review to the BBK list

Groovy!!

These were in essence designed for track use, but with softer pads handle street life very well.

NEWB

What rims are those? Looks like they won't clear the calipers if those spacers are not there, correct?

Factory ralliart rims. I use them for winter use but need 25mm neosport spacers.

Is it the 12.6" kit in the pictures? Will it clear 17" wheels?

Hey guys,

So, I know it's been a year since the last post on this topic, but I'll revive it anyway.

I just installed this kit in my 298 whp Ralliart, and it worked very nicely in the highway. As soon as I get onshore I'll be testing it on the track.

I'd like to know if you guys have found good rear kits for this front option, like the one NFS was talking about!

Cheers!

For the rear most just go with the evo x rear brembos proven tested and to work on drews front bbk Kit. Or they just go with upgraded rotors pads lines in the rear.

I see. I'm thinking about changing rotors and lines (already have changed the rear pads)... Even though the evo x rear brembos could provide a nice balance to this wilwood front kit also... I wish the topic with the conversion still had all the pictures working :(

Are you talking about pictures from the X rear install how-to I posted? All of the pictures I posted there are still up. If you need any input, PM me.

BUT.....
I would not be so certain the X rear setup will work well with the Wilwood kit in this thread. Not to beat a dead horse, but those Wilwood calipers are small, and have a very small pad contact area. I'm not sure which Wilwood calipers these use (what piston size, because they have a few options) but you could shift brake bias too far rearward. I would give Fastbrake a call to see what piston diameter these calipers have.

Thanks for the answer, Drew.

Yes, I was talking about those pictures, but I understand what happened. I've been accessing through my company's PC, which probably blocks the websites where the pics are hosted. Once I disembark from the rig I'm on, I'll check the thread again and maybe call fastbrakes to see the pistons sizes and etc.

I have actually already bought this kit, and installed just a week before coming to work. So far, so good! I could really feel a change, specially fading wise.

Is it the best bbk for the car? Course not, but considering that the shipping to Brazil of any BBK is huge, and that our government is ****ing with our currency, it was either this or nothing.

Maybe the best brake changes on the rear for this kit, bias wise, is just changing rotors, pads and lines then. I'm still on stock rear rotors and lines, but I'm on HAWK HPS pads.

One question I have about this kit, that I'm not sure if anybody could help (don't know if there is many people using it nowadays) is regarding the ferodo pads x rotors. These pads are HUGE and THICK. I hear a strong whistle every time I break on medium going to low speed. A friend of mine told me his rotors lasted only for 2 MONTHS!! The shop he took the car to told him it was due to these much aggressive pads.

Anyone have any experience on that?

Thank you all!

wildwood bbk
 

I'm interested in a set for my 09 ralliart where can I buy them ????

Here you go! http://www.fastbrakes.com/category_s/207.htm

Hey guys, like promised before, here's some update about this kit performance on the track: I really enjoyed it! I didn't compare it with the stock brakes on the track because I didn't have the balls to take the car to race with stock brakes, as they would fade on the street after some spirit driving.

But this wilwood did its job. After 3 batteries of 45 min each, it never fade, and it braked greatly. Obviously it's not the same as having brembo 6 pot on the front and 4 pot on the rear, but it's still balanced, as I didn't notice any rear/front sliding when braking (all I have on the rear is the hawk hps pads).

However, I took it yesterday to a shop here to have it taken a look before going to the track again this Saturday. They've noticed that one of the calipers is not fully aligned with the rotor. You can see the pistons from one side way more off the caliper than the pistons on the other side of this caliper. I've been told that the brackets will have to be changed, to make this alignment perfect. Their concern is that the piston that gets a little off could move away from the sealing area and the brake fluid could start leaking. This could happen when the pads wears out some more.

I'm having iron brackets made, instead of this aluminum that comes with it, and hopefully correct this misalignment. Maybe I'll change the pads too, as my friend noticed too much wear on his rotors with the ferodo pads. We'll see.

Keep you posted!

I see they make a 6 piston kit now that fits evo x rotors. http://www.fastbrakes.com/category_s/207.htm

It seems to be worth the price, but it raises 2 questions IMO:

1) In the description it says costumer supplies the rotors. Does that mean that rotors are not included in the 6 pot kit?

2) It will shift the bias forward.. You might wanna think about getting a rear kit if getting this one.

For the first question, that is correct in that they do not come with rotors.

As far as shifting the bias forward, it actually shouldn't shift it forward much at all, even with the 6 piston calipers. If FB has done their homework (I would assume they have), then they would have selected an appropriately sized Wilwood caliper with the correct piston area. Honestly, the biggest drawback with both kits, 4 piston and 6 piston, is the pad contact area. They are very small. Even the 6 piston pads (which are the same exact pads used in the 4 piston kit) are a descent amount smaller than OEM X 4 piston Brembos. You will gain rotor diameter (increasing the moment arm), but have about the same pad contact area as a stock RA pad.

Thanks, Drew.

It seems to me, then, that choosing the 6 pot over the 4 pot would be good only for being able to use a larger rotor, increasing the moment arm.

Very good, thanks!

Just curious, does anyone who has/had one of these kits know what size spacers are needed to clear the OEM wheels? I saw someone used 25mm spacers but not sure if something smaller would work.