Convert Ralliart to EvoX *Ultimate List*
 

Project Evolution X
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(using autocenter.net US pricing)
Air Inlet Tube - $46.55
Air Inlet Tube Gasket - $7.70
Air Outlet Tube - $47.40
Air Outlet Tube Gasket - $3.54
Bypass Valve - $141.00
Cover (o2 Housing) - $130.89
Cover (o2 Housing) Gasket - $30.76
Cover (o2 Housing) Bracket - $14.54
Exhaust Manifold - $392.29
Exhaust Manifold Gasket - $29.87
Intercooler - $609.79
Oil Inlet Tube - $57.89
Oil Inlet Tube Seal - $1.08
Oil Inlet Tube Gasket - $1.17
Oil Outlet Tube - $20.74
Oil Outlet Tube Upper Seal - $1.08
Oil Outlet Tube Lower Seal - $1.70
Stock Evolution ECU Maps - FREE
Turbocharger Gasket - $33.60
Turbocharger Lower Bracket - $14.54
Turbocharger Upper Bracket - $14.54
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Total $1,600.67

(using AMS Performance US pricing)
Upper Intercooler Piping - $295.00
Lower Intercooler Piping - $299.95
Turbocharger (Stock) - $995.00
Turbocharger (FP Red) - $1399.00
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Total $1,589.95
FP Red Total $1,993.95

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Grand Total $3,190.62
FP Red Grand Total $3,594.62

Let me know if I forgot anything, or if there is something that is not needed (As in it is already on the Ralliart).

If you want an EvoX then buy an EvoX? lol. Seriously though I thought you were going to post the body panels and everything... I was thinking of how expensive of a project that would be!

1. Evolution doesnt come in sportback
2. I like the sleeper look in a vehicle
3. I didnt have an extra $11,000 CAD to spend on one

Far from an Evo, you're basically just aiming for bigger power on your Sportback.

I'm well aware and informed of all the extra goodies the X has. This is ONLY for the engine.

buy an evo..youll never be an evo, just a fast ralliart

Um those prices are a little off. U can do the whole conversion with a tune for under 1k. The Fpred turbo alone is over $1,200.

Oh, I didn't notice the sportback... my mistake on that one.

47 posts, I deleted 47 posts - knock it off. All parties. This is your warning.

Why go through all that trouble? Simple bolt ons and a tune would get u in stock Evo territory.

Okay, so what exactly are you going for?

Horsepower, torque, speed?

If it's speed, then are you looking at 0-60, 1/4 mile, trap speed, top end?

I'm not sure what the sportbacks are running. I would guess they are heavier and would require more power to get the same speeds as an X.

In terms of whp, it shouldn't be too difficult. Doing a little ricer math here, so bare with me.

Ralliart = 237 hp (factory flywheel)
Evo X = 291 hp (factory flywheel)

That is a difference of 54 hp, at the flywheel. 54 hp is pretty easy to make up, basic bolt ons and a tune will put you over that, heck a flash and a pill from AMS adds 50 whp, taking into account drive train loss and your pretty much there.

Now, if you want to compete with a stock X and a tune, then it's much harder to make up the ground, since they can gain 50 whp with a tune as well.

In the end, it's less about what you are seeing on a machine and more about real world performance. The real results are measured at the track in real time.

C & D places the Evo X at 5.0 in the 0-60 and 13.8 at 102 for the 1/4 mile.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...olution_page_9
C & D places the '09 RA (non-sportback) at 0-60 in 5.5 and 14.3 at 97 for the 1/4 mile.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t/specs_page_2

So you are basically talking about half a second difference stock for stock. YES YES YES, I've heard lower times from others, as much as 13.9 on the RA and 13.4 on the Evo X, but you get the idea (again this is all ricer math). AMS modded their RA to go 12.9 (in automatic sport mode) at the track with stock turbo, a few bolt ons, and a tune.

So, off the top of my head, I would say that if you are looking for 1/4 mile times, your best bet is to get around 4k-5k and drive down to AMS, tell 'em you wanna run 12's and let them do their thing.

Now, if you want top end power, you will have to go with the bigger turbo, as the stock RA turbo falls flat on it's face at higher speeds. It's just too small. This is where the Evo X turbo swap really makes the difference.

Bottom line if you want to be as fast, or faster than the Evo, you have to get the same, or better parts for your engine, that's just comon sense. You're looking at $1,400 just for the turbo and intake.

I would say, if you want to build over time, worry about the basics. Start with what will get you faster times from 0-60 and 1/4 mile, then finish it all off with the higher end speed and the Evo X turbo setup. Just remember, while you are looking at doing all of this the Xers are building up their stuff with FP reds and whatever else they can get their hands on.

The good news is, you've got the same basic block/bottom end. So you can, in theory, bypass the Evo X build up and go all out. FP red, etc.

Just remember there are a lot of minor changes that will come with each mod. New turbo needs a new intake, BOV, etc.

Good luck and keep us posted on how this all goes. I know I always love to read up on member mods, just don't forget to post pics.:lol: Oh, and time slips if you have them.{thumbup}

Get the red plus the X conversion stuff and you'll spank most of what's out there.

I read ur sig. Ur poking fun at that guy too, lol.

For me I would love to have a car in the low 12's. If I hit anything in the 11's I would stop modding for sure :D There is just so much more focus out there on the Evo, with tuning and aftermarket parts. It makes upgrading so much easier and cheaper.

sith_killer_99: I'm going for 1/4 mile

Forgot to mention that in my last post there.

Yeah, your gonna need a bigger turbo. I'd say go with the red, like others have mentioned.

12.4,

AMS ran a 12.4

I agree that if you are going to go with the twinscroll setup of the EVO, why stop with just stock EVO parts. If an upgraded intercooler and larger turbo (FP Red for example) is good enough for the EVO, they are good enough for the Ralliart too.

But on a side note, and this would take a lot of investigative work, I too would like to see what would be needed in terms of fenders and other parts necessary to widen the RA's base. Heh, maybe even what would be necessary to *gasp* modify the suspension geometry to match the EVO's. :p

No, Smike has a legitimate concern. In theory, these boards should be a place that people can go to find out information and discuss topics with people who have some first-hand knowledge or experience on the subject. These threads seem to get drawn off topic at an alarming rate, and a majority of the comments do not contribute to the knowledge and betterment of the community. I'm done.

Now, back on topic. Can anyone verify that the EVO body panels are a direct bolt on for the RA? Maybe find an EVO wrecked on the passenger side and another one wrecked on the driver's side... :lol:

I've been thinking the fenders will fit, I can't find a wrecked X around my area to test this out though.

The front fender are more than likely bolt on but the rears are connected to the roof linning running over the doors i believe like the previous Evo's and also i think the flares are inline with the back doors too. You will also need to get the wider front bumper for the Evo to match the fenders.

You'd think it would be a direct bolt up for the entire front-end. As far as the rear-end goes IMO it would take a talented body shop to modify the rear-end of a X. then there is no telling whether or not the rear bumper from the X is gonna fit afterwards. Probably not worth all the heartburn. I personally may just upgrade to the X and hand off the keys to the ralliart to the Mrs.

exactly

I will admit i really wanted the X but i knew i just couldn't afford it. I may upgrade to an Evo when i get older but for the moment I am proud to be a ralliart owner. There aren't many 18 year olds out there who have a 2009 car running 13's and payed for EVERYTHING themselves (no help from mommy and daddy).

I just want the X's HP and upgrades :D

I understand but if 1/4 times is what u are looking for that can done with the RA's current parts if u just follow what AMS did with the FP Red. We can't go passed 350 lb ft anyway so all those others are unnecessary.

werd...good job kid! lol
but yeah I see you got that MIC, you gunna take it to the track soon? I may be putting one on here in the near future

I just dont get that ppl are trying to make import cars, especially a rally inspired car to a drag strip. Shouldnt that be left to the V8's? And yes, thats cool that you paid for all that stuff yourself, I paid for all mine on my X swap as well. Body parts, front fenders will fit but will need the stock X front bumper to fit. Fenders new run $400+ painted from OEMmitsubishiparts.com and bumper is $600+ painted. It's hard to find any of these parts off a wrecked car, seeing how there stripped at the junk yards.

+ 1 For the young people I am 19 also and paying myself. Agreed on finding any of the parts on a wrecked car. I would skip on the body work.

I just love this comment. Who made the rule that just because you own a "rally inspired" car, you have to use it as such. I would really like to know how many people take their car out to the rally circuit every week or month to go rally racing. I would bet all my possessions that it would be less then 1% of all vehicles sold. Who would want to risk destroying their car because someone told them they HAVE to go rally racing with it.

Another thing I would really like to know is, how many people with V8's actually use their vehicle for drag racing at the local strip every week? I would also bet that those percentages are also around the 1% mark as well.

There is a reason that most drag strips out there have an "Import Night", there is a HUGE demand for imports at the 1/4 or 1/8 mile. There are Tuners and there are Muscles cars. As the saying goes, "different strokes for different folks."

The reasons I bought this "rally inspired" car are:
1) I only believe in 4x4 or AWD in this snowy canadian climate
2) I wanted a car that was turbocharged
3) I need a car that I can transport my dog, wife, baby and cargo in
4) My wife wanted a hatchback
5) I liked the looks of it
6) Better gas mileage then those "V8" cars you speak of

I could rant on and on about that comment, but I need to go make a drink now. So before you say something so ignorant, just take a step back and dont speak. Unless of course it is constructive or posative. Until then, have a nice day.

Since you're in Edmonton, the highest octane gas you'll be able to get is 94 from Husky. If you want higher, you'll have to run water/meth injection. Getting into the 12s won't be easy because of the altitude issue, you'll need a bigger turbo than the Evo X turbo.

you can run 12's in edmonton on the x turbo.

where did you get the pricing for these parts?? ive been trying to find a stock X manifold, maybe i havent been looking hard enough:confused:

Amen

505RA: I found the pricing for all those parts on autocenter.net I'm assuming they have everything in stock. If not they can probably get it pretty quick.

How? The altitude is going to limit the amount of power you can make.

^ I don't see why not, here in FL you can run 12s on the stock RA turbo (fully bolted + tune), don't see why with the bigger turbo you can't run 12s with a 2200ft disadvantage

{pcfreak} Is there something wrong with your head? Are you feeling okay? I can't believe there are people out here saying crap like this. Especially since you're trying to convert your car into something it's not. An Evo X. I can see all of the performance parts but the body panels? Here you are bashing someone for not rallying their car because it's rally inspired. You're essentially saying that they're trying it make their car something that it's not yet you're in effect doing the same thing. :rolleyes:

the altitude in edmonton isnt that bad in relation to other places (calgary)

If srt-4s can run 12.9 in edmonton on the stock td04 turbo, the x should and will have no problems doing so either.

A friend with just a turbo back is running 13.4

Getting to a healthy 12.X (ie. not a 12.99) will be pretty hard though. Remember, you're seriously limited in how much torque you can run. AMS commented on this with their FP Red setup. If you're talking about a friend in an Evo running a 13.4, that's not that surprising since they can launch the car.

i thought you were making the comment that the x turbo doesnt have enough power to get there in general. If your talking about our application then yes i understand where you are coming from.

n2mb needs to come out with a wotbox for us that bypasses our silly tranny issues. that would be the day :(

No I was talking about this specific application. On an Evo, it's enough because they can launch the hell out of the car and just continue to bump up the power if it doesn't get there.

How much HP/TQ can you put in this car before you have to upgrade the tranny ?

safely about 300 WHP

yea i just ordered UR intake as well
gonna go get a retune this time with a boost pill also
hoping to run low 13's in mid September. After this retune no more mods untill late spring because i have to pay for my books and classes

good luck bro...haha
man were are gunna have the same exact mods lol.
cept for the intake.

i dont think the tranny is limited by hp, just by tq

Well unless you plan on restricting low-end power in the name of the almighty HP figure, you're going to be limited. You could turn your powerband into that of a Honda (high HP up top) but it probably wouldn't be a whole lot of fun.

when i got 274 hp and 330 tq it showed tranny slipping, i got the dyno sheet also.

Also secondchance your just starting to do things to your RA and lots of us have been messing with our RA for a while, with trial and error. If you search the thread you can find graphs of the dyno by TTP AND AMS showing the tranny slipping under TQ. Thats why i stated that our cars are limited by tq. So far the ony way around it is to stick a bigger turbo to get the HP up and try to keep the TQ down. And before you talk nonsense about TTP and the dynos go do some research, they are a proven company with lots of evo satisfied customers getting get HP and great times on the 1/4 mile. Think before you type because you are just making yourself sound stupid.

you're not going to see much a change in the hp/tq curve unless you swap to both a bigger turbo and different cams.

yes, please, keep the dyno/hp war out of all new threads

The RA shares the same cams as the EVO X, so you should be able to mimic whatever curve an X can get just by upgrading the turbo. Once you go to a twin-scroll exhaust manifold, the rest of your upgrade path would probably mirror the X's upgrade path (fuel pump, rail and injectors; cams; FP/Garrett turbo; etc.).

even with the X turbo you are still making a ton of tq, diff cams will help dial down a bit. Do you know for a fact that the X and RA share the same cams? i swear I read in the brochure that all internals are the same except the cams.

cams are the same. Its been documented already. not even gonna look for it

Yeah, a lot of the marketing material turned out to be inaccurate. As far as dialing down the torque, our resident tuners could speak to this better than I. As far as I know, they can dial the torque down just by tuning, no need to change the cams. IMO, the only real reason to upgrade the cams is if you are looking to make BIG power... way more than our TC-SSTs could handle.

^ yep

don't worry, I was just confirming.

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I never heard of tuning to reduce tq, but maybe I need to be enlightened.

It's exactly what it sounds like, you play with the timing and AF to keep torque down.

If you're asking the how: Maybe some of the tuners can comment on that.

If you're asking the why: The TC-SST on the Ralliart and MR only hold between 330-350 lb/ft of torque reliably. For anything more than that, you will need to upgrade the clutch plates. So, if you bolt on a large turbo capable of pushing 350+ lb/ft of torque, you'll want to tune it so that the torque values are lower.

^ i know the why, but the how doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Optimizing the a/f fixture to be at an optimal point for driveability/useability thus increases power and tq at each point (given the same timing map).

Maybe reducing timing and tuning the A/Fs there will lower tq, but hp as well. As an engineer I would love to hear the explanation, that is all.

Hey guys. Do any of you have photos of the engine bay after your conversion that you can post? Did you have to change your air intake setup?

Good 8 year bump, buddy.

unlike the evo X the ralliart has its batter in the engine bay so you can't put an evo air intake system in , i know this isn't the best pic ever but if u have any questions plz send me a message ( I've had my stock RA turbo swapped for an evo one for about a year now )

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...07cdebe3af.jpg

clean that thing! lol

Nice that pic makes me feel better about my engine bay lol so thank you.

Is that the stock RA BOV I see? Please please say no 😯

QRJ ftw!

in that pic yes it is but the car now has a tial BOV and the engine bay is cleaned :P
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...b15b25e7db.jpg

Wow yeah, day and night in several ways 👍

What'd you sue to get your plastic nice and black?
Mines faded =[

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...d6531ed640.jpg
this is everything i use to clean my car :P and theres also meguiars ultimate black plastic thats what i use for those faded plastic parts

So its been a long time but this is the car right now and plannin on an SSP installation and a big brake kit very soon
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...a18140618.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...2efbe73e5.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...36d071d89.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...b4d7d8e43.jpeg