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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 08:03 PM
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Any benefit of Re-scaling ECU?

I have been following the EcuFlash thread on the midrange timing pull and how re-scaling the ECU to a load of 300 like the JDM ralliart and the Evo IXs ECU helped eliminate the excess timing dip.

Will re-scaling the 03-05 8 Ecu to a load of 300 give any midrange benefit to a Xede equipped Stage1+ and will it affect a custome XEDE tune?
Old Jul 29, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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This is my car's timing reported by obd2.
Just curious if anyone had any comments.

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Old Jul 29, 2006 | 10:20 PM
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I havent read it all, but My timing gets down to pretty low in midrange as well and I am only running 20.5 psi.
Old Jul 30, 2006 | 07:51 AM
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At 3500 and -1* you seem to be in the 260% load cell. It probably wont hurt to rescale your ecu (to include -2* at 280% and -3* at 300% for added safety).
Old Jul 30, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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Holy moley thats some low timing around 3.5-4.5k, whats your AFR around peak tq?
Old Jul 30, 2006 | 07:02 PM
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Below zero. Theory is that the load may be off the scale at peak load.
Old Jul 30, 2006 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by A418t81
Holy moley thats some low timing around 3.5-4.5k, whats your AFR around peak tq?
~11.8 Peak tq
I run a stock ecu rom file, hi and lo maps are not the same and don't have the timing altered.

Log was done in 92*F temp, not complaining on power car just pulls in 3rd like a rocket at these temps. Still feels as strong and smooth as the day I got tuned



I downloaded my ECU rom and it looks like -1 is at 3500 & 260 load cell. I spent my afternoon rescaling the fuel and timing hi and lo maps.
I'll resume logging next week end with the rescaled ECU rom.
Old Jul 31, 2006 | 06:43 AM
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Yeah, I knew you were running the stock maps and that the timing is very tame on them. BTW, my hi and lo maps aren't the same either Interested in the new logs just to see if you note a difference.
Old Jul 31, 2006 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jorge T
~11.8 Peak tq
I run a stock ecu rom file, hi and lo maps are not the same and don't have the timing altered.

Log was done in 92*F temp, not complaining on power car just pulls in 3rd like a rocket at these temps. Still feels as strong and smooth as the day I got tuned


I downloaded my ECU rom and it looks like -1 is at 3500 & 260 load cell. I spent my afternoon rescaling the fuel and timing hi and lo maps.
I'll resume logging next week end with the rescaled ECU rom.
What does your new rescaled map look like? Remember to rescale your fuel maps too.
Old Jul 31, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jorge T
This is my car's timing reported by obd2.
Just curious if anyone had any comments.


Jorge-- Now post up your xede's timing map. Your actual timing is the combination of what you logged via OBD data and the offsets put into your timing map

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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 06:51 PM
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So it is: actual timing = obd2 timing- Xede offsets.

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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 07:10 PM
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so if you have 20* - (4.3*)=15.7* thats low huh???
Old Aug 1, 2006 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jrsimon27
so if you have 20* - (4.3*)=15.7* thats low huh???
But he is also running smart, so the actual timing may be higher in some places and lower in others.
Old Aug 1, 2006 | 05:03 AM
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A do run smart but without positive timing, therefore runing more timing than what is on the MAP is not posible.
Logging timing offset from the XEDE becomes useful to find out how much timing is actually being taken out.
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Do you have evoscan Jorge?



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