Stay Tuned! FP Red on E-85 Dyno'd!
 

UPDATE: Page 2, #26
Added Dyno sheet

The time has finally come and my car is complete just the way I've always wanted it. It is a stock appearing 03 Evo with the following mods:

HKS Racing Intake
Buschur UICP
Buschur Deluxe FMIC
AMS LICP
Forge DV
Buschur DP w/ QTP cutout
Hallman Pro RX
HKS 272/272
Headstuds
Buschur Double Pump
FIC 1050cc injectors
Ported/Coated Stock Manifold, 10.5 Hotside, 02 Housing
FP Red w/ HP WGA

Otherwise stock block, head, transmission, etc. etc.

Soon to be tuned by Chris Black @ AMS on E-85

I will have dyno sheets up this weekend if everything works out and I'm not too busy playing around with the car :D

what do you think the car will make???

looking forward to seeing the numbers....

500hp/470tq is my guess.

500 whp for sure

Its basically a mini 35r that will be on high boost

YEA i won2 see numbers....:D

I thought I saw a similar setup on AMS' dyno make around 450ish whp.. Don't quote me on that, but I thought I saw that somewhere

ive seen atleast 2 other evos with similar mods and an fpred hit 500whp and 500wtq on E85.. good luck, chris is a badass... i love my E85 tune

My guess is 450/450, your injectors might be a limiting factor in how far you're able to push it.

I agree with Creamo3. 500whp is definitely out of the question.

Thats what I'm expecting, but Eric, is your reasoning because of the injector size as well?

the FP red is good but it doesnt work magic!!! you dont have a huge amount of mods and most arent huge power mods!! 500 on a red would take a built block, better cams...

i believe you will be alright with your injectors with a dual FP... you will have some good numbers but my honest guess would be 420!!

how much boost are you going to run? 500whp is possible if you go past 30psi. although you should of went with 1200cc injectors so you won't run out of fuel.

I'm very interested in this thread. I have similar supporting mods and have been debating which turbo to upgrade to. The FPRed is a front runner, but I don't have e85 readily available but am running 100% meth. Good luck this weekend, OP!

e85 will get you to be able to run around 28 safely...

e85 and pump/meth is practically the same

I am planning for 28-30 but will wait for Chris to tell me if this is ideal

Thanks, that is the reason for this thread, simply to inform the community

Are you gonna tune it with the cutout open or closed?

Good question...do you have a HFC on your car after the cutout or a test pipe? Depending on the boost you run & your injectors I say around 440whp/wtq...looking forward to the results...good luck...{thumbup}

Cut-out open, there is a testpipe post cut-out

nice...do you have a wideband before the cutout or are you gonna crawl under there and clip the sniffer wideband on the cutout to tune it? haha...

Ya that I'm not sure of... This is a first on the dyno for me. What's usually the course taken for a setup like this?

Well, if you are getting it tuned with the cutout open I'm sure the tuner will want to get the sniffer clipped on the cutout so they can get a more accurate A/F ratio...I have the QTP cutout also but I have never been tuned with it open...It has been closed during the tune then opened afterward to see the gain...I also have a 3 in HFC on my car after the cutout...I have seen 12-15whp gain on a mustang dyno with opening the cutout after the tune...I will probably never get tuned with the cutout open unless I am tuning for race gas then heading to the track...

Good deal. Whenever I take the car out it's going somewhere where the cut out will be used anyway. On the street it stays closed

stays closed on the street?? Well, thats no fun...you need to open that badboy up to let people know you are there...scare them a little...wake them up...drop their cell phone in their lap while they are texting or talking to someone...haha...

I would like to send a HUGE thanks to Chris at AMS for doing an outstanding job on my car. This thing pulls hard all the way to the top and doesn't stop! I also want to thank everyone else at AMS that took care of me. These guys are top notch and they go the extra distance to make sure you leave a happy and satisfied customer!!! On to the numbers...

I will have a graph up soon so the numbers will have to hold you guys off for now

458whp/423wtq
I will follow up with a 1/4 mile time in a few weeks to see what this thing can put down on the track

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...oDynoSheet.jpg
I will take your questions now :)

How much boost?

Just over 34psi tapering down to 30psi

You only made 458 on e85 running 34 psi!?

That seems low to me, i figured with that much you would have broke 500 but maybe im wrong.

Cant wait to see 1/4 times then.

It depends on the dyno (what does AMS have?). Also, how aggressive the tuner feels with the customer, environment such as heat/humidity, elevation, etc.

Um keep in mind that's peak boost, I'm only holding 30psi to redline so take it easy

I say if the owner is still as happy as he stated in the original post then thats what counts! Congrats on the build and the results! Enjoy it

Everything that I have seen/read says e85 is better than pump/meth, at least for the questionable pump gas we have up here in WA (which is actually better than some places).

I'm not sure if you're referring to me. I'm looking forward to seeing your graph :beer:

I agree those #'s for 34psi falling to 30 on a dynojet are weak if it was a mustang then it would be good unless your on a stock motor

I think those are great numbers for a stock block! I wouldn't want to push to much more than that if your using this as you DD. Congrats man!

My mod list is not all that in-depth. Stock block, stock head, stock transmission, etc. Graph is up, take a look.

Nice numbers, what was you IDC?

May have to wait for Chris to comment on that if he has time

Injectors could have been a limiting factor, but the numbers are low for that boost level. Stock motor or not. My stock motor just got an fpred, put it on the dyno and first pull made 427 on 22 psi, turned the boost up and it made 475 on the next pull at 28 psi, 10.9-11.0 afr without tuning. Either way I am sure It is a blast to drive, numbers are not everything, my car went 10.7 @ 128 with 460 on a dynojet. Congrats.

cams can be your limiting factor, HKS cams are mild cams at best. I have the same cams but got them 4 years ago before most of these custom grinds came out (didn't know any better), HKS 272's are deff a limiting factor in my setup as well.

Thanks for the graph wannarace. I like how the torque curve hits between 3000 - 4000 and just keeps going! Your numbers are right in the range I would like to be so hopefully with meth I'll get close. Have fun, and looking forward to 1/4 times {thumbup}

IDC was fine, the 1050's were not limiting any power. I don't know the percentage but I did ask Chris if they limited my power while the car was still strapped down and he said not at all.

Chris also told me that the cams could be holding back some power but that is not something I feel like changing at this point in time. Just like Nez said, I added them wayy back in '04 maybe, when HKS were really the only ones out there. I know I could grab a lot more power with some FP4 or FP5R's but that is not in the near future.

e85 is indeed far superior to pump and meth. But many places still dont have e85 so its the next best thing other then over priced race gas.

^^^definitely agreed, which is why I run 100% pump+meth. The gas up here in WA is better than CA, but it still sucks and can vary widely.

*edit - unfortunately e85 is about 30 miles one way in the wrong direction for me. Add that to the fact that you don't get as far on a fillup and it is just out of reach for me. Also, my wife puts up with my car enough but wouldn't go with the 55 gallon drum in the garage so well.

Sorry for a bit off topic OP. I'm assuming e85 is widely available to you? Do you ever do long-ish road trips? Do you have a pump tune you can switch to? If I was running e85 I would definitely be getting myself a flexfuel logo! :)

Plenty of E85 stations around my area. I usually don't do long road trips (I fly free :)) but if I have to, my GPS lets me know the closest E85 stations relative to where I'm at. I can plan ahead of time. No other map on the car because this is just a pleasure car.

Did you really end up tuning with the cutout open or did Chris recommend otherwise. I would've gone open track use or not. I mean, regardless of where you punch it wrong or right, you'd want the performance at that time. All other times who cares about power. Nobody is going all out from light to light unless they are jackasses anyways. I'm very interested in knowing. Also, any points of interest or did Chris say anything specific about tuning with the cutout open?

i have 2 friends that hit over 500whp with red/E85

Very constructive, thanks

Ultimately, the tune was done with the cutout open

Low #s on AMS's dyno??? Imagine that!

FWIW my car ran A LOT faster on the track then what the dyno #s told me it should run on that dyno. For what ever reason it may be, that dyno reads low IMHO and from experience. I have had my car on it MANY times now....

That's gotta be a fun ride!

... makes me want to get my car back into AMS to finally get a 100oct tune ... sigh, sucks to be broke.

l8r)

How hot was it the day of the tune? I don't know why people keep thinking this is apples to apples. Get it to the track and then start comparing to other drivers there and you will know how you're doing.

85 F, 12% humidity

Just get on the track and prove to these noobs your car is fast!

Huum! I think that your combination of parts are actually the limiting factor and at that boost level I have seen Reds over 550WHP but on VP fuel. Just to give you the capability of the turbo with the right parts and fuel.

Still good numbers! However, not too happy to see the high boost thou.

I got 403/356 @ 24 PSI on 93 OCT. 82F and 52% humidity. fpgreen

I would upgrade Cams/IC and I think that a ported head will push you to 500 WHP. That will be a sweet ass evo on RedBull!

Good luck!

its not really flex fuel tho, you cant just put in whatever, its one or the other, unless you switch maps!!

numbers is not wat it is all about... dont let people bring you down. yeah other cars make more power its just the way it is. not every car is the same.. im sure your car rips man nice numbers.

+1

Everyone needs to remember that places that sell E85 in areas that see cold winters (Denver & Chicago are on the same schedule), actually sell at least three different grades of the fuel depending on the time of year, E70 in October-April, E85 in July and August, and somewhere inbetween in the other months. I found a place in Denver that blends thier own E85 from E98 and 85 octane year round. Once true E85 season comes around you'll see people's numbers tick up a bit more.

Dave

Congrats 450hp evo is still fast.

Thanks guys. I'm not upset with my numbers at all actually. I want to be at a certain ET and if next weekend doesn't turn it up, then I guarantee the mod bug will bite again. Til then, whp is just a number to me.

I've seen an IX with similar mods, stock cams, single walbro, and PTE 1000's make 425 at 34 psi with E85 on a Dyno Dynamics. Given that there's another local shop in town with a DynoJet that reads approximately 12% higher, which puts him into the 475 range on their dyno.

I would say that 458 on AMS's dyno is pretty much right on.


That's some good power! :beer:

Nice numbers what kind of timing are you running?{thumbup}

Bump from the dead!

The best time this car put down in the 1/4 mile was an 11.4 @ 126 with a 1.8x 60 foot. I know it's got more in it and the cams are definitely holding this car back. Looking into GSC S3 and some head work this summer in order to top 500 and make solid 10s. Mod bug bit me again after 4 years :)

Glad to hear the car still holding up... good luck on the new mods and keep updating us on the numbers!