Extreme Tuners Evo9 1/4 WR
 

Just waiting people like you to comment
WR now is 7.902 so its your turn but wait till tomorrow when WR will go even lower

Please

Lets keep it respectful or will be deleting posts

Kinda hard to argue against a time slip.

Thanks for first time mate
How people can argue with a timeslip
Today we had 5people from European Dragster Federation to justify a possible new WR and also distance was validaded at 402.224m or 1320feet as USA use after conversation of 1/4mile
The car was always a beast but when you create something from scratch you need time to make it work and especially be reliable

It can get as low as you want it I honestly am not impressed at all. Specially when they have robbed people on this forum of parts, and what nots over the years. And once they did get their stuff wasnt as advertised. So yeah i will be a skeptic and a non believer of your boys over there in Greece. IF they were so great I still don't get why they won't come here and run with our best. And dont had me this **** because its expensive to bring a car over here. If they are as "successful" as you have advertise over the years they have plenty of cash to get their car here to run the best of what we have. But they refuse to do that which tells me its all BS

You know I have much respect for the community and those who support it, but fake ass companies who claim **** and pretty much steal everyone elses images and what nots to claim their own I have no respect for them.

Sorry. I thought this thread was about a time slip and 1/4mi time. My bad. I have an opinion of this company, but that's for another thread.

I have no idea what is the story with bad deliveries but i know people who use parts and act as suppliers in US but my point is the time which is actually the fastest ever 4wd Evo 1-9 so far.
There are still many things to explore with that car and the easiest way is to use a European track that can compare with US tracks
Maybe in the future Spyros will bring the car in US but probably when the car is tested for 100% and be ready to go under 7.4!!

Escalated so quickly

Why was the other thread with this video deleted??

Noted. But what does that have to do with world records??

that is what i thought too lol

whether u like it or not they own the WR and thats a fact.

their past behaviour is also a fact.I'm Greek but i still aint a fan of their tactics generally

the car is impressive though and has a lot of potential since its Spyros personal car and he develops it 24/7

that isnt a topic for promoting the parts they build. i think that we all agree that this ship has sailed

that evo is something completely different(destroked etc) and as an evo fan i am happy for its existence. lets hope that US tuners will respond to that WR

i think that E.T. will compete in Malta, on a preped track, in a few days so we'll have more to discuss

We will do our best to keep this single thread open as long as it doesnt get out of hand.

Thanks, Joe

I want to see this in person please come to the US {thumbup}

Anywhere in CA and I'm there.

Looks like Emery needs to put a sequential in the STM RS and take back his record.


Also, doesn't this car supposedly make 2000hp? Seems like it should be faster...

Sean

I think their having trouble putting that level of pwr to the ground:confused:

Sequential shifting is where it is gentlemen:D

People from the are been there tiday to measure the length and show it on video
Btw hiw much faster you think a sequential gearbox can be compared to an H pattern??? almost the same times we saw in the past after tries

Should be able to get more mph out of it. STM RS with an Hpattern went 182(ish?). It makes a bit over 1k on the STM Mustang dyno. Extreme Tuna's claims an extra 500whp, or more. That should be good for a lot more than 3mph trap speeds.


Sequential will always be faster than pattern. It doesn't upset the car as much on the shift, the throw of the shifter itself is shorter, and the driver doesn't lift.

Congrats on the accomplishment, at the end of the day they have pushed the platform to new heights which is commendable.

I will be looking for the backup pass and possibly more details about the setup if they care to share ```truthfully```

who makes a sequential that handles that kind of power? Last I checked (it's been years) even the Quaif unit was only good to mid 500s.

PPG :dunno:

Pretty sure ER is running one in their white CT9A that's putting down over 1100whp.

Most of the parts are created from Spyros himself after many many trials
Btw some people said about about top end and Extreme has 500whp more than STM and got only 3mph more but they forget that the car literally hit 7.9@185 spinning almost up to 1000ft especially with full boost and damaged the gears cause of that
No one actually said anything about weight difference which is almost 500lb!!!
My guess with same power he did 7.9 in Malta will hit 7.7 and full boost 7.5@190+

The dragstrips in Greece are no where near the top dragstrips in the U.S. Traction is a big problem over in Greece, even for a car with less than 1000hp. Where it would take 1200-1300 in the U.S to brake traction at the same level, in Greece starts at 900-1000hp.


Observe the video more carefully and you shall see how much and far the car slides to the sides. It also slides and has traction problems all the way up to the finish line. Then compare it to Emery's video and you will immediately see the difference.






A gearbox and a shift is as fast as the driver. Put a shortshift on an h patttern with carbon synchros, and there is absolutely no difference to a sequential. As for the lift, the same goes for any gearbox, it's called flatshift.




Let's say that hp wise is not as E.T say, as dyno from dyno and dyno conditions to dyno conditions can differ a lot. What matters is not the dyno printout but the timeslip.







And something else which goes out to people using the specific point, I would personally like to see Spyros compete over in the U.S, but it is like asking Emery to go over to Greece. Whos knows, it might happen at some point, but untill it does, and E.T i.e, do not deliver as they should, it is pointless to use this as an arguement of disbelief.





Stm is a proven company, and I consider them legit and proper, they have earned my respect as other companies in the U.S such as MAP or Buschur, but so is E.T over in Greece. Now I would not want to refer to the matter of parts and deals between U.S customers and E.T, as I am completely not aware of the matter but if someone asked me to get him a part from Spyros then I would hate to see the guy be deceived in any way by E.T, and trust me I would be the first to come on here and report it.










Marios

There is "open loop flatshift with a clutch switch" and "closed loop flatshift with strain gauge located ON THE gearbox"...

There is no way a flat shifted H pattern [even with drenth shifter] will match flat shifted sequential gearbox's boost recovery, a "Boost recovery" which will be crucial to a 1800cc 91mm turbo car...

So you can manufacture custom tungsten crankshaft but can't do weight reduction ?

Watch this carefully;


You are not even running OEM side mirrors, you have lighter doors than STM's RS, lighter tubular rear subframe than STM's RS, a cage with less points than STM's RS and you claim you are 500lbs heavier than the STM's RS ?

"Lets get the composite doors without driver slider windows, install some black rivets, no one will notice !"

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...3067c7c722.png

You can see lexan window's painted section which is marked with yellow lines, and two of the rivet holes;

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...dd570a1a91.png

Composite doors, front bumper, hood and trunk, no headlights, no window viper.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...ee92feeb83.png

Rear tubular subframe [it used to be yellow/green, but lets paint it to black, so no one will notice]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...397c81f188.png

15" wheels with slicks + Drag Brakes

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...e18fb0fecf.png

Recaro bucket seat, no passanger seat [1st picture shows missing passenger seat]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...e262f0a5f2.png

AND STILL 500LBS HEAVIER THAN STM's RS ! !

You are running dry sump which might add 20lbs but I don't see why you would be heavier than STM's RS.

Install some upper window latches to those composite doors, paint them black, no one will notice !

Congrats for the record...

After some consistent runs on 8.0-8.1 for some races, finally a 7 in front. Unlike in US, where you can visit a local track whenever you want for testing etc, ET tests are part of the official race...next event he participates will be in a couple of months.

This is dragster...we don't care who has sequential or H-pattern...

Can someone remind me who owned the previous record before STM??was it AMS??
There are many EVOs in US participating in various events every week..although no one has beaten STMs record so far.
I guess is not that easy to break records as everybody says last days that they expected more mph etc

Competition makes everybody get better..
Lets hope STM or a yellow EVO i've seen lately try to beat that record....and lets hope ET will get an even better time in Malta cause 7.9 -sounds strange but- gives no justice to this car.

Props to him for following a different route on the engineering side

We will not allow this forum to be used to glorify former vendors who scammed members out of money for vaporware. The only reason I'm not deleting this thread is so that anyone who sees their "world record video" can also read their history of utter nonsense and customer abuse.


https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ne-2007-a.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/pr...-build-11.html

those who stating the syncro H pattern, or a dog box just as fast as the Sequential Shifter, they are intentionally lying or never driven SSQ transmission equipped car.

i am a pretty fast shifter ( people say) as you can hear it in this video below on stock transmission, and i have driven all type of transmissions. You cant match the shift speed with SSQ with ANY other manual tranny def not with H patter even if its a straight cut one.

Plane and simple. I dont like lies. There is no need to making claims on achievements , specially fake ones, unless its something you dont want to tell us.

This post is for the cars time and not his previous acts with people that I don't know
Time matters and that's what we show here and the worst part is even if he goes to Malta and hits way lower time people from US will find something to say about him
Drag Racing and time slips is different from customer services and support!!!
That's my 2cents about the story and your customer abuse although we have people who distribute his parts and use them on their cars in US

No they are not different.

You guys have a pathological trend of bending the reality [I wanna call something else but I don't wanna see my post deleted], the other day you said your car is 500LBS heavier which changes your record's class.

You guys try to advertise this car as a street car but it is nothing more than a STM's RS clone [Weight wise] with a dashboard and a nonfunctional radio inside...

IF YOUR CAR IS NOT LIGHTER THAN STM'S RS, it is 100lbs heavier AT TOPS.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...6f57eb255e.jpg

Missing roof liner, door cards, under dash parts, weather stripes, rear seats and apparently you have composite roof also...

Sir you started cutting this car ! There are missing OEM Brackets even in this picture !

Yes. Everyone here has something to say about HIM and the COMPANY. Nobody is saying about the times the car ran, we just don't care. It takes more than an accomplishment to get respect from people.

You, sir, have a LOT of free time. I'm not talking smack, just being jealous. :D

It's not a record until it beats 7.43 set by HD2 racing back in 2013.

That is a RWD tube frame car mate

How can you compare these 2 cars
2 different categories mate and its irrelevant
Even APC car was somehow a different category at first place

Exactly my comment was to the genius above me, a full tube chassis car is no logner an evo, cannot be compared and is not part of any discusion here,

So we agree mate!!

Can you explain to me what car you call tube chassis???
Do you call Extreme Evo that cause its not and still heavier than STM

No the car mentioned by drop dead fred, ET's car is obviously not a tube chassis car nor is STM's, Both are still AWD also

You and I agree we are saying the same thing. STM and ET's cars can be compared sure

This car cannot be compared, it's a tube chassis race car:

Thanks man for clearing this up
I was loosing my mind hahaha

Haha no worries!! {thumbup}

The part of boost recovery that relates to the drivetrain, and specifically here between a sequential gearbox and a well modified h pattern gearbox with carbon synchros amongst the rest of the changes to it and those who know geraboxes know what I'm talking about, is from very little to none! Also the rest of the drivetrain plays a good deal on it. Another point is that boost recovery or transient response does not depend solely on the drivetrain, a great deal of that depends on the actual turbo ( materials and composites of wheels and chra used) and engine setup used, such as the entire rotating mass/assembly. The turbo on E.T's car might be big but besides all the other parts of the engine which are custom made to suit the specific turbo and intended powerband, it also spins to 13K rpm, which puts it well into it's optimal boost/efficiency zone.






As for the weight matter, since I have seen none of the cars in person on scales I have no idea what their difference is. What does matter though is the timeslip and that's all that matters.









Marios

There is no point hiding behind your finger as we say over here. I'm the guy who said that in dragster there is no difference between an h pattern and sequential box if you know how to build an h pattern box to rev match and be as fast shifting as a sequential, and I'm not talking about conventional h patterns with just straight cut gear set that you can buy online.



And who are you calling a liar? I've driven both sequential and h patterns, I can also built an h pattern gearbox to a spec you have know I idea about. And clearly you have very little knowledge of gear dynamics, fluid and rotational dynamics, what materials, composites and techniques can be used besides the usual stuff that are offered around.


Also if you think you are a fast shifter, judging from the above in my opinion you are not.




To what claims and achievements are you referring? Why are you insinuating that they are fake? Do you have any actual proof they are fake, or are you one of those people who because they can't or won't do what others do, they simply start their usual crap.













Marios

Gentlemen! We are doing our best to keep this thread open for discussion of the car & the event

Please stay respectful

Thanks, Joe

i am but he clearly doest know the difference shifting between SSQ and H pattern shiffting practice.
The FIA and world ( any racing sectioning body) knows, and agrees there for put SSQ cars in different class where the transmission is essential, because the SSQ shifters are faster and more consistent there for easier to drive, which always ending up a faster time in racing. SO i do not really have to argue with him, the proof is allover. lololol

This man is trying to tell others his movements are just as fast from 1-2 then 2-3 for an example in H patter vs the SSQ only forward to back ward only motion , which is we all know Physically impossible. Just by the simple fact the route you do is longer and trickier.
lol

just a reminder of the pattern of shifting :D:D :

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...e.jpg~original


I am not even start arguing with this person, just tell the rest of the guys , H patter will never be as fast as the SSQ. Also the SSQ is a lot more reliable , since the very simple back and forth shifting mechanism only. SO the miss shifts are way less likely.
( we are talking about the drum type of shift, which is a real SSQ type )

He might think he is just as fast as as others on SSQ who do racing, but that is only his Ego and opinion, so let him be. We always have "that kid" around in racing.

So no worries about me, staying civil.

^^^Thanks Rob

The thread has been hitting the rev limiter & trying to dial it back a few:p

thank you , and no worries.

{thumbup}:beer:



Also the SSQ was as a transmission type if i am right introduced in F1. which is really about speed / power delivery / space and WEIGHT. the SSQ is only better in speed vs the H patter , since dog box can and often do a same power loss through on them and usually less weight since the SSQ mechanism etc is missing from them. So the ONLY advantage the SSQ vs the dog box is the SPEED and RELIABILITY in shifting.

Now two major thing is VERY important in racing racing, speed and reliability. SSQ stumps on H patter on that. You cant argue with that fact, unless you are completely overwhelmed with your own ego. The same person will be ALWAYS faster with SSQ vs H pattern.

And i think that is my last post here about SSQ vs H pattern transmission debate .

Lol, all the above are redundant and very shallow arguements that do not even scratch the surface of the matter to say the least, and yes there is an h pattern design gearbox that is as fast as any sequential. Sequential boxes/straight cut gear boxes are not more reliable than h pattern conventional boxes. Sequential boxes last far less miles,require more often maintenance and they can break down more easily, they can handle less amount,type and degree of thrusting loading, heat and abuse, and the only reason they are used is because due to their straight cut gears there is no actual degree of thrusting loading present, which enables the gearbox to handle more torque as a peak number, but the slightest deformation of clearances and material due to other stressing factors can easily damage a sequential gearbox. Both h pattern and sequential gearboxes have come a long way since they were introduced, but the h pattern has evolved much more to a degree that it can match a sequential gearbox. It is not about the shifting direction since you are referring to h pattern but it's all about the distance.


I will repeat my initial statement


A well designed h pattern against a well designed sequential, regarding solely the shifting pattern aspect will only be very marginally slower when downshifting but even then the difference will be negligible, though it does make some lap time difference in an F1 event.



Also do not confuse nor compare f1 to dragster. They are two different types of motorsport racing. An f1 car is completely disassembled and all parts are replaced after an event.



This thread is not about gearboxes, and it should not become one. A gearbox has a certain role in a dragster car, but it is not the main one. Even less of a part has one its characteristics, the shifting part. If drag races were won just by the shifting part, I'm sure STM could afford to use a sequential gearbox.



Since you mentioned F1, here you go, this is the fastest shifting one can have on a dragster car.





Just to illustrate my point :











Marios

lol this guy.... , i am not sure he is really just a troll or this numb.

This video he actually put it up here making his point on H pattern, technically a cheaper version of the real Sequantial shifter, that is not an H pattern shifter.
Ghost shifter really just a steering shifter option for the SSQ. Well known feature for SSQ Shifter all over. Like Kaps transmissions for the Evo for an example. this Kaps paddle shifter hydraulic unit for the Evo X for the steering collum. ( not a gas one which STM uses from tanks)
http://eng.kaps-transmissions.com/fi...ucts/hydraulic

this is a 1000 hp drag Subaru but you will se the same action what STM shows you there, with they own name for this shifter type, as called a "Ghost", but this is a true SSQ shifter WITH the steering shifter option. As ANY SSQ the shifter stick works like a phantom or as STM calls it "Ghost shifting". Nothing new here. lol
Quote from STM :
"The STM Ghostshifter is designed to complement an Ikeya Sequential shifter for the late model Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (4-9), and requires a dog-engagement gearbox. The Ghostshifter attaches to the Ikeya shifter, and uses a high speed air ram to physically move the Ikeya shifter, allowing the shifts to be made through either steering wheel mounted buttons or paddles (not included in the Ghostshifter kit).The Ghostshifter allows for faster, more accurate shifting which results in improved time slips at the drag strip, and quicker lap times at the race track. The fast and consistent shifting offered by the Ghostshifter also results in less wear on the gearbox dog rings, saving you money and aiding gearbox reliability.

"

the best, this is actually on this forum i have quoted from lololol

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ve...ng-soon-2.html

Sum it up, i do quote him here lol
"A gearbox has a certain role in a dragster car, but it is not the main one. Even less of a part has one its characteristics, the shifting part. If drag races were won just by the shifting part, I'm sure STM could afford to use a sequential gearbox."


This video of his basically a cheaper SSQ or version pick one you like. There for STM uses a dog box witha SSQ shifter mechanism with steering collum shifter. It is not a H pattern shifter by far lolololol. In a sense STM use a SSQ in they car. Not a real one per se, if its not a drum type shifter inside, but def. the closest one you can build , and it is not H pattern by far.

ps if you wonder what is the drum i am talking about inside the sequential shifter here it is for an example one:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.evo...91f486464e.jpg

:lol: For God's sake. You do lack intelligence lol, what else is there to say, it was posted precisely because it is not an h pattern, re-think it over and you might see why I posted the stm video. My points are there if you carefully read what I write. To save you from posting furthermore, I'll put it this way, compared to you, based on what you post here, I'm an authority on gearboxes.



Just to give you a hint of a start towards the right way of thinking this through, and connecting the video to my points, stm car has one of the fastest shifting setups, yet the car does a much higher e.t than E.T's car, even than stm(u.s) h pattern car. The specific stm(aussie) car, has over 1000hp.



This is not a thread about gearboxes, and I do not intend to make it one. This is about a new world record, let's keep it as such.


To me this discussion is pointless, I see you are a rally driver, I wish you all the best with your rallying efforts as there is nothing else to say here.






Now, to get back on track on this thread :



I'd like to thank evom for hosting this thread.









Marios

hehehe hohohohohhoho I saw these vids on youtube and I knew a thread would explode on here.

It looks pretty fast, lets face it.

On a super serious note.
The gobs of frickin money spent on building such a car from super exotic materials to SSQ blah blah blah... if proving a world rec and smashing it, why would you not send the car to a location, which had a track prepped to the 9's to gain the traction the car actually deserves for 2000hp to rocketship the car down the track?
You can not use $$$ as an excuse, there is **** loads of it inside that car.

Several years ago, people here in the US actually offered to pay to ship the car over here to get in on a legit track.

I'll let you take a stab at how that went :lol:

I remember, lets try again :eek::lol:

so finally you do agree the SSQ is a faster shifter, lol

I do say though congrats for the time you run, which is amazing accomplishment, and that is why i dont understand why you need these weird situations where people can, and do point out your fake comments , as example H pattern vs SSQ or like your car interior wise, and about windows, weight etc, which is already showed in this thread by other people.

we have a saying " good wine needs no bush"

i think if you just would tell honestly what is your set up or say nothing, you wouldn't have these problems.

that is all have to say

Rob

Is that what you understood from what I posted? As I said , you really lack intelligence. No I so do not agree that the sequential is faster than the h pattern, and I'm not talking about a conventional h pattern but about a build one with the right parts. I posted why. My above comment which you quoted has a key point which you did not seem to grasp. That key point is that the stm car(u.s) which runs an h pattern does a much better e.t than the stm car(new zealand) which runs one of the fastest shifting sequential setups. I will repeat this, one of the fastest sequential shifting setups, not one of the fastest shifting setups of all, which also eliminates the "better driver" factor. So comparing the two shifting setups, there should have been a significant difference of e.t in favor of the new zealand car, if the sequential was actually faster shifting and responding gearbox, as powerwise the new zealand car is stronger than the american evo. Yet the american evo does 8 flat where the new zealand car is at 8.4, major e.t difference.




Re-read my comments and posts, I never refer to anything about doors, windows or weight of the car. Kleomenis does, and as for fake again the only fake about the matter is the online non-reality related conclusions people make on a forum based on pictures they found online.


When both cars are on scales, and if the american evo is not lighter than the E.T car, then you can call the person who posted about the weight a liar, which it will not be the case as the E.T car is/must be indeed heavier.




I will say whatever I consider worth saying and I will not be dictated what to say or when.




It takes research , knowledge, time, effort and money to extend the limits of reality in any aspect of it, and that is something which is not easily shared with anyone.





As for problems, the only people who have problems of recognizing, believing and accepting reality as is are the fools of this world, and in the world of dragster there is nothing more real than a timeslip.










Marios

Can someone please cliffnote these posts?

2000hp eh?
 

Long time watcher, first time poster...

I have no doubt about the 1/4 time but a few things still dont add up.

The claims made previously are the biggest issue, especially engine power. There is no evidece the 2100hp dyno run is the same engine. The power claimed for a 1.8 is so much higher than others have achieved.

The trap speed and ET should be much better for that much power. The 7.88 run shows no problem getting power to the road. As a comparison, Andy Forrests wrx runs a similar time and mph with 'only' 1200hp.

My guess is theyre using an engine made by someone else and claiming it as their own. Like theyve done previously with other individual parts.

LOL is this a joke or what??? Are you even reading the claims they made?
7.88@185 was made with an 1400awhp peak and they've said they let off before the full 402m
wait till September when we 'll have more have to discuss after they run again

Until then I bet that there will be at least one American evo in the 7s. The race is on