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Hand Position
Just curious, what hand positioning techniques do you use while autocrossing or while on the road course?
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both hands on the wheel?... lol... i dont really look much at hand positions i normally just leave it at the 3 o-clock and 9 o-clock positions...
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lol...but eventually you have to take a turn that requires you turn the wheel more than 180 degrees. When this is the case you need to use some hand positioning technique. I personally use (or attempt to use) the "shifty hands" method by which you move your hands one at a time before the turn so that you can keep both hands on the wheel throughout the turn.
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ok well... take away the autoX and road course... when i'm on the highway racing... i usually grip the wheel really tight at the South East angle of the wheel...lol.. with my left hand... use the right to shift.. and just fly through traffic.. lol... yea...it allows you to turn the wheel with no problem...
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that isnt quite what i was looking for but...
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Well, it's kinda hard to say, since most race-cars will have either a small wheel or a quicker steering box, it's hopefully not an issue...
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Shifty hands works for me. Practice it in your daily driving and it'll be natural before you realize it.
I keep meaning to start left-foot braking, but that's going to be hard. Gotta get rid of the dead time while moving the right foot from gas to brake. |
Remember... Light hands on the wheel...
Corey #89 STU |
I think its all about preference or the way it makes it easiest to drive the car.
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Originally Posted by EVOB23
(Post 3948158)
I think its all about preference or the way it makes it easiest to drive the car.
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Originally Posted by CoreyR
(Post 3941924)
Remember... Light hands on the wheel...
Corey #89 STU |
I like 9-3
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I drive 9 and 3 for the most part, especially when I'm driving more vigorously, but if I'm on the highway at 2 in the morning I usually drive with my left arm resting on the door with my hand at 9 and my right hand on my lap.
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9 and 3 over here.... all the time
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I go for the coolness factor and have one on the wheel while I rest the other behind my head. Pisses off people that I pass.
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930 and 230
hard turns i'll drop my left hand to a 6 with my right on the shifter incase |
Originally Posted by ambystom01
(Post 3952858)
I drive 9 and 3 for the most part, especially when I'm driving more vigorously, but if I'm on the highway at 2 in the morning I usually drive with my left arm resting on the door with my hand at 9 and my right hand on my lap.
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And your point is?
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
(Post 3954222)
And your point is?
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2 other people also mentioned how they drive in other situations so why not get on their case? I first said how I drive when I drive aggressively, such as you would on a road course or during an autocross so there you go.
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
(Post 3954351)
2 other people also mentioned how they drive in other situations so why not get on their case?
I first said how I drive when I drive aggressively, such as you would on a road course or during an autocross so there you go. Do you actually drive in sanctioned competition? If so, what series, and what are your accomplishments? For my part, I do SCCA Solo 2, and I'm a regional champion. That's not a big deal--I'm not bragging about it--but it does give me some credibility regarding competitive driving technique. |
Well what would you call competition driving, driving like a wuss? I consider agressive driving to be any kind of driving that is done with a purpose other than to get from point A to point B, so I would certainly consider autocross or track driving to be aggressive. I live in Calgary, we have one track around town and it's mainly used for drag racing or stock caresque racing. We do have autocrossing but it's not formal. If you actually bothered to look I said I drive with my hands at 9 and 3, the standard position used in motorsports like rallying, formula one, SCCA events, etc..
If you want to be an ass and ride someone, go to the local gay bar and find yourself a date, otherwise piss off and stop acting like a condescending dink. I gave exactly the same advice (if you even wanted to call it that) as you did. |
Thats all crazy talk.
9-3 is very comfortable when driving fast, wether on the street or a track. then switching to like 7 or 8 when having hand on shifter? |
9 and 3 isn't a hand positioning technique. Shifty hands is.
But I'll stop "riding" you 'cause I don't want you to start crying. |
Originally Posted by izabran
(Post 3908222)
ok well... take away the autoX and road course... when i'm on the highway racing... i usually grip the wheel really tight at the South East angle of the wheel...lol.. with my left hand... use the right to shift.. and just fly through traffic.. lol... yea...it allows you to turn the wheel with no problem...
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Originally Posted by mitsuozboi
(Post 3954583)
Thats all crazy talk.
9-3 is very comfortable when driving fast, wether on the street or a track. then switching to like 7 or 8 when having hand on shifter? |
Ok buddy if you're going to be an assh0le, at least be right. Firstly, as in any activity, how you position the relevant apparatus/limb is a technique, thus people (not just me) saying 9 and 3 is indeed a relevant answer. Secondly, and related to the first point, 9 and 3 is a technique used by pretty much every school of racing and one that is often missed by people, think about how many people you see driving like dinks with one hand in your daily life.
If you want to feel big because you do all this other stuff, great, post up what it is, maybe have a tutorial, I know I'd be interested to learn. Being condescending to other people (interestingly to someone who doesn't drive an evo who gave a real answer) only makes you look like a right bastard. Not everyone has the time, the money or even the opportunity to do formal events to learn this kind of stuff. |
Originally Posted by Slowride
(Post 3949315)
Yes and no. There are multiple "right" ways to handle the wheel, but many more that are just wrong: clumsy, dangerous, or weak. The way you handle the wheel now is probably easiest for you, but it's not necessarily the best. If you're keeping your hands at 9 and 3 o'clock, even while turning, you don't do hand-over-hand, and your arms aren't too straight, you're probably in good shape.
Originally Posted by Ambystom01
I drive 9 and 3 for the most part, especially when I'm driving more vigorously, but if I'm on the highway at 2 in the morning I usually drive with my left arm resting on the door with my hand at 9 and my right hand on my lap.
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
(Post 3954629)
Hmmm....sure looks like we both said the same thing. Nothing like throwing rocks when you live in a glass house.
The technique known as "shifty hands" is one way to achieve the above goals. As it's already been explained in this thread, shifty hands consists of adjusting the hands independently in preparation for a turn of the wheel. E.g., you see a right curve/turn coming up, you drop your left hand to, say, 7 o'clock, then raise your right hand to 1 o'clock, then you turn the wheel till your hands are back at 9 and 3. Upon exiting the turn, you reverse the procedure. |
light hands
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Originally Posted by CoreyR View Post Remember... Light hands on the wheel... Corey #89 STU
Originally Posted by w evo
(Post 3950012)
Could you elaborate on this a little? I haven't heard this before.
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Originally Posted by Slowride
(Post 3954670)
Yeah, we both mentioned 9 and 3. I didn't say anything about how I drive on the highway at 2 AM, but I use the same technique I autocross with because it's good practice and because it's a good technique for maintaining control of the car. And I qualified what makes for good technique (keeping your hands at 9 and 3 o'clock, even while turning, you don't do hand-over-hand, and your arms aren't too straight, you're probably in good shape). It's entirely possible to keep your hands near 9 and 3 most of the time and still have poor hand positioning technique.
The technique known as "shifty hands" is one way to achieve the above goals. As it's already been explained in this thread, shifty hands consists of adjusting the hands independently in preparation for a turn of the wheel. E.g., you see a right curve/turn coming up, you drop your left hand to, say, 7 o'clock, then raise your right hand to 1 o'clock, then you turn the wheel till your hands are back at 9 and 3. Upon exiting the turn, you reverse the procedure. |
Originally Posted by cfdfireman1
(Post 3954673)
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Originally Posted by CoreyR View Post Remember... Light hands on the wheel... Corey #89 STU If you look at your hands and the knuckles are white that's not light hands, you must try to relax. Slow = fast. |
Also, I guess I should have made myself clear when I started this thread. I meant to ask what hand positioning techniques you use when you are making a turn that cannot be make simply leaving your hands at 9 and 3 and turning the wheel.
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9 and 3 bro!
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Originally Posted by w evo
(Post 3956698)
Thanks. I was thinking thats what was meant, but I wasn't sure if there was more to it than that.
Also, another thing that I got in the habbit of doing is keeing my thumbs out of the inside of the wheel. It's normally an old racers technique so that if you hit something the wheel doesn't break your thumbs off when it spins quickly. I also find it works in auto-x for those quick save-it type corrections when you get out of shape, if you get a thumb stuck in the wheel it hurts like a bit** Corey #89 STU |
It's probably a good idea not to cross your arms when you're on a road course push, pull, slide the hands but in autocross I gota say any thing goes with the tight turns and general hectic pace.
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Originally Posted by cfdfireman1
(Post 3965034)
It's probably a good idea not to cross your arms when you're on a road course push, pull, slide the hands but in autocross I gota say any thing goes with the tight turns and general hectic pace.
Autocross just happens too fast for improvised hand positioning to be effective. |
I would love to see them do a "Chicago Box" with shifty hands. Some of the stuff I've seen here is lock to lock in no time.
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OK, they're probably overstating it to make a point. I'm sure there places where they aren't displaying perfect form. Chicago boxes (AKA tight 3-cone slaloms) and longer slaloms are easily fudged.
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^^^^ For sure shifty hands where possible.
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Originally Posted by savaho
(Post 3952878)
I go for the coolness factor and have one on the wheel while I rest the other behind my head. Pisses off people that I pass.
But yeah, since we're in the competition --> driving techniques, I like slightly above 9 and 3 because that's where the thicker/ grippier part of the wheel is. It's weird when I drive my mom's or girlfriend's car cuz I"m like ... damn, they don't have a MOMO wheel :( (and my left foot gets bored with their auto transmissions) |
I AutoX with no hands.
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I use the shifty-hands technique too. I have tried to cross over but it is too uncomfortable for me.
I had an autox yesterday that had a 3 chicago boxes in a row but with a little twist in them ...come out of one and have to make a right turn and then enter the box...leave that one and make a left turn...so the hands were constantly moving...all while left foot braking. Crazy fun! |
i used to put my hands on 3 and 9 position on the steering wheel, but recently I found that 10/4 position is better.
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Originally Posted by Slowride
(Post 3954670)
Yeah, we both mentioned 9 and 3. I didn't say anything about how I drive on the highway at 2 AM, but I use the same technique I autocross with because it's good practice and because it's a good technique for maintaining control of the car. And I qualified what makes for good technique (keeping your hands at 9 and 3 o'clock, even while turning, you don't do hand-over-hand, and your arms aren't too straight, you're probably in good shape). It's entirely possible to keep your hands near 9 and 3 most of the time and still have poor hand positioning technique.
The technique known as "shifty hands" is one way to achieve the above goals. As it's already been explained in this thread, shifty hands consists of adjusting the hands independently in preparation for a turn of the wheel. E.g., you see a right curve/turn coming up, you drop your left hand to, say, 7 o'clock, then raise your right hand to 1 o'clock, then you turn the wheel till your hands are back at 9 and 3. Upon exiting the turn, you reverse the procedure. how about.. right turn comming up, and you use your left hand (at 9 oclock) to push /turn the wheel right, while you right hand moves quickly right before the turn to the 12oclock position and as the wheel turns it terminates at the 3 oclock possiton.... does that makes sense? |
Never auto X-ed but I'm definitely a shifty-hands type.
But also, white knuckles isn't going to be good for actually getting someplace fast, even though it usually feels fast. clench your fists and your shoulders involuntarily tighten. I noticed this racing mountainbikes. and it made me crash a lot. If my hands were loose, so were my shoulders and i didn't crash as much. tight shoulders make it difficult to make the smooth inputs to the wheel that are so important in turning a good lap ( I think) and more importantly not crashing |
Watch some WRC or FIA GT in-car. Steal what you see.
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