Update: All is good now!
 

I went to the dyno at All Aspects Motorsports in Chesapeake today, and was very disapointed to say the least! I have a Buschur TBE w/ HFC, and was letting the ECU control boost (have not installed the gauge or MBC yet). I did not get a chance to get baseline #'s before my mods, as the dyno was not installed yet. Keep in mind, these #'s were WITH the mail-in flash and TBE!

2006 Evolution IX

DYNOJET

Max power: 267.31
Max torque: 275.02
Temp: 89.63
Humidity: 51%
boost: varied between 18-~20psi, but never went over 20.8


This was the highest of the 3 pulls. The car will not rev past it's 7600rpm stock limit. Also would not boost past ~20psi, which also is the stock limit. 2-step has not been tested. The car does not feel any faster before/after flash? Was there a mistake? Was the ECU not flashed? I attempted to call Dynoflash numerous times, but have yet to hear back from him/them. I do not want to make anybody look bad, I just want this resolved. :helpme:

I took a few pics of the dynosheet, but cannot get it to 100k or smaller. If anybody wants to see the dyno chart, give me your email address.

are you sure yo have no other problems like a boost leak or anything?

It varies between 18-20psi, and holds well. When we installed the TBE, we tightened the stock clamps very well also, don't think it's a leak.

wow. With the exception of a test pipe and drop in filter, we have very similar mods and I did a best of 279 awhp on Buschurs dyno. Which would translate to about 329 awhp on a dynojet.
Also, my pulls were only to 7k. I don't know how much of a difference it would make as the power started to level off.

4G63Inside- How far are you from sterling? I think Al is at VIP doing one of his tuning trips. If your not to far I think he is there today and tomorrow

hmmm! seems like it was a bit warm out but it shouldnt hurt it that bad... you could do a boost leak test just to be sure it only cost about $5 to make one and you might be suprised what you find! also I didnt think dynoflash was doing flashes on cars without a high flow fuel pump i dont see that on your mods?

Hopefully everything works out for you man,
because thats about 232.44 HP and 239.14 TQ on a mustang dyno..

From what i was told, and from my experience he tunes for about 22 PSI on pump gas on the IX's and he made my launch limiter to 6K and my rev limiter to about 8 or so...

Good luck and hopefully its something stuipd like you needing to disconnect your negative

First problem is assuming that it's the flash. You didn't get a baseline, which was a mistake. I know the dyno wasn't ready, but how do you even know where your car was before the tune? You could have gained 40whp or you could have lost 10whp. You don't know, but you're automatically assuming it was the flash. Yes, the rev limiter should be 7800, so there's the possibility that there was an omission or something, but how did you log the rpms? Did you rev the car that high in gear while on the dyno while reading rpm's from the rpm signal, or did you just look at your tach?

Another problem is that you think that because you see 18-20psi on your gauge that it means you can't have a boost leak. That couldn't be further from the truth. You could have 5 boost leaks and not see any difference on your boost gauge, because what happens is the turbo pushes HARDER to overcome the leaks just to maintain that boost level, which means you end up running ~24-25psi on pump gas. That causes it to blow nothing but heat and make much less power. You should always, always, ALWAYS do a boost leak test before getting on a dyno and especially before coming online and calling out your tuner as if it's likely his fault. There are so many things that people mess up on their Evos when modding that I can't even keep track of them all. Based on the limited knowledge you have so far in reference to Evos, it's highly likely that you or whoever did the installs messed up something or left inaudible boost leaks. You need to verify everything before you type a word online.

All I can do on my end is have Al look at the file he used to flash you in order to ensure it was a tuned map with the proper parameters (launch control @ 6k, rev limiter @ 7800, etc) to be sure he didn't just send it back unflashed or with a stock flash.

Sterling is about 3-4 hours from me. That is very far to drive, without talking to him 1st. I would def. be up for making the trip tomorrow, if he assured me this would get resolved. Not going all the way up there, and paying again though!

4G63,


Unmistakingly you are under the desired power numbers. I am posting because I also had a mail in flash and same mods.

Number one rule is not to blame someone unless you are 100% sure. Could it be a bad flash? Sure, it could be. Could it be that the new dynojet in which you tested your car wasn't properly fine tune yet? Sure, absolutely.

Don't get frustrated, Al will back his customer service, he has done it and he will do it again. In my opinion your boost levels are a bit low. I am runing 21-23psi on 91ct and same mods and makes a big difference. I think your boost is not high to start making decent numbers. You need a MBC to get the maximum performance out of your engine.

Just for reference and in contrast of your claims, I mailed and received my ECU back from Dynoflash in 42 hours, that is a 6000 mile trip bro.

I suggest perhap you re dyno your car in a different dyno if you can and compare it. That new dyno might not be set up 100% right.

Carlos

Wow, that didn't take long! The Winpep 7 software logged the rpms, we didn't go by the in-car tach (I wasn't even in the car). There is no boost gauge in the car yet, the guys at All Aspects tapped a vacuum line to pull boost #'s. As far as the TBE install, it is a possibility, but all we did was remove the undertray, remove stock exhaust, and install new one down-pipe back. I did not touch the LICP, except tightening the clamp (still stock LICP). I know you have to look out for your sponsor (don't blame you), but there are just too many factors pointing to the flash.

1. still stock redline
2. stock boost levels (I know, I know...)
3. I have not touched anything before/after the ECU install, and the car feels NO faster than before the "flash". If I gained 30-40whp, I would feel it! The TBE was on the car for 2 weeks before the flash. I felt a little increase in response and power after the TBE install, and nothing has changed since then but the ECU. I appreciate anything you can do for me, and I can send you my info if necessary.


p.s. My "wireless" is intermittant right now, so if it takes awhile to reply, I appologize.

The #'s that I seen other cars put down were VERY distinctive of a DynoJet:

'02 WRX's (stock): 1 put down ~170whp 2nd put down 180whp (freak).
"04 Evo (TBE, pump, bigger hotside, flash, LICP): ~300whp
'05 SRT-4 (stock): 220whp

My ECU was sent out Monday at 12pm, and I received it by 11am Wed! That is definetly great response time, but it will still suck to be without the car twice for that long! The only other AWD Dyno we have is a Mustang, so I don't know how much that would help?

Also, just for the record. I sent a few PM's and called more that 3 times to Dynoflash and left VM's. I would NOT have made this post if I was contacted after any of these attempted calls/PM's. I am not out to hurt anyone, I just want everything worked out.

I am not blaming on you either, I hope it gets resolved soon.;)


Carlos

I appreciate any help, I'm not a hard guy to get along w/! {thumbup}

Also, just so you know..A Master-Certified DynoJet rep. came out to setup the dyno after it came off the truck! I asked the same thing after I initially seen the #'s.

i'd definitely do a boost leak test just to be sure. just because the boost holds steady doesn't mean there is no leak. i ran 22 psi and did a boost leak test and found 3 of them. fixing this makes a huge difference, even with a flash, you probrably wouldn't notice a power increase if there's a leak. some places besides clamps that are leak prone are the hard part of the LICP that bolts to the turbo(gasket could be comprimised), throttle body gasket, and in my case, there was a torn vacuum line on the underside of the manifold. how'd it get torn? no idea, never did any modding in that area, yet it was torn, probrably from factory because my car ran 10x's better than ever after fixing it. anyway, i'd check for a leak first.