ha david buschur took this way outta hand.
my thread was asking if anyone has tried it, i was just sitting around and thought id see if anyone tried it cause i was thinking about... sorry i like to be hands on and think outside the box. now i installed all the buschur parts on my car myself, would you like to make a thread about that dave since i didnt have you guys do it for me? i think what you did is real sh*tty for being a top evo shop and a vendor on here. everyone took that sh*t the wrong way. i could imagine getting this if i produced the cables for the public and sold them for a cheaper price then they do, but thats not the case here.

NOW, i have done a lot of research and realize what goes into these things. i dont think i could make it.... i dont use ecuflash or flash my ecu for anything. i just log.

but anyway, sorry everyone took it the wrong way and jumped on the hate bandwagon like everyone does here on evom. so again sorry guys

 

Well my apologies to you if you feel I was trashing you. I honestly didn't read your thread and just assumed. My opinion still stands on what Dave is trying to say although it doesn't pertain to you.

 

i understand what dave is saying and it probably makes him mad cause im sure people try to copy his stuff all the time. i understand that, but i think he handled it wrong

but why would the schematics of the 1.3 cable be posted by the creator himself online? its like you guys are following an unwritten rule here or thinking his cable is top secret. but thats besides the point, IM NOT MAKING THE CABLE

 

I feel that if someone puts their time and soul into a product. They should charge a fair price for it. If you don't want it don't buy it. People are lazy and are not motivated to do thing for the betterment of mankind. We need motivation. We need nessecity before action is taken (for most). Although a utopian society would be the best for everyone it will never work because some will be mooches and not want to work. The people that do work will get disgrutle and quit. I know I would not be motivated to put my blood, sweet, and tears into something so that all the lazy people can do/pay nothing while waiting for the next hand out. If you want something make it yourself or use your time to make money and save for it. Dont depend upon someone else to do it for you. Socialist/Marxist societies have yet to be found and effective society models.

 

I'm still confused about how $100 is too much to spend on such an essential tool for modifying your car.

 

Once agin, its not that, We just have the RESPECT to give back to the people that make MAJOR contributions to our community.

I think i can tell you why buschur is so mad (even though i cant speak for the man himself). It doubt it has anything to do with other companies coping his parts. I think it has more to do with the fact that dave used to not tune on the stock ECU and though it was limited. But then after these major contributors made the ECU a very powerful tuning tool, he joined our ECUflash forum and has surprised and amazed at the feats this contributors has made and he has a lot of respect for this project as a whole.

 

dude take all that political BS out of here.

 

OKAY BEFORE ANYONE ELSE POSTS HERE, WHY DONT YOU READ THIS....

http://forums.openecu.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=542

THE CREATOR HIMSELF IS POSTING THE SCHEMATICS AND SAID YOU CAN TRY TO MAKE YOUR OWN, JUST DONT SELL IT. NOW THATS WHAT I SAID I WAS DOING, BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, YET I HAVE PERMISSION TO DO SO.

i dont get it. again, everyone just jumped on david buschurs hate bandwagon, before looking at the facts

 

well again, I'm only agreeing with what he's saying but not who he's directing towards. I am the last person on here to jump on a Buschur Bandwagon. I've had it out with him more than once and have been slapped with points because of it. I do however agree with him on some things and I'm mature enough to say when I do.

 

I made this quote in reference to an earlier one in this post. Its too bad your not a mod to stop me.

post #9

 

i agree with him too
but again i think hes thinking im doing something that is not allowed or should not be done, yet the creator has given the world permission to do that same thing i asked about. thats my only beef.

people jumped all over me cause i simply asked a question.people who have no part in the cable at all, and the creator is telling the world, they can try to make their own...

 

no hard feelings dude

 

I gotcha man. You're only trying to defend yourself and I'm doing the same.

 

I think this is all pretty amusing.

Colby got everyone (ie. technical folks) interested in this stuff early on by waving the open development banner. "Here's the schematics for the cable I'm using right now." "Here's an early version of the source for the Subaru flashing software." "I'll release the flashing kernel source shortly, don't worry." I haven't seen many posts about hardware like that in quite a few years (except a little bit lately on DSMtuners), which is a real shame; the talk changed into "yeah, well, those schematics are copyrighted, you know", and "I'm still working out the details on how to release the source code".

There's a great community around ROM programming work these days, even though tephra, mrfred, jcsbanks, and company could have easily turned their considerable work into a commercial offering, and for that I'm extremely grateful. It makes it possible for folks who are technically capable get up to speed and start contributing quickly, further improving the situation for everyone.

But EcuFlash, EvoScan, and the cables are all traditional commercial offerings like Cobb was doing years ahead of them; these aren't "community" products of any kind, and their makers aren't doing it for the warm fuzzies they get at night, they're doing it because it's profitable. You're paying for EcuFlash (and future development) with your purchase of the cable. This isn't "donating to a cause" like when you give to tephra for his ROM releases or Jack_of_Trades for his dyno spreadsheet, it's a straight product purchase transaction.

Here I am, being a broken record again: if Colby had stuck to his promise to release the source for EcuFlash, we might very well have an open development model surrounding that piece of software today, just like we do around ROM work. Think incremental reflashing on the fly, tighter integration of the log/tune/flash workflow, "autotuning" of some tables with automatic flashing of finalized values, etc; this isn't just a theoretical point for me. Instead, he did exactly the opposite, obfuscating the executable he releases (point IDA at it sometime; I was amused the first time I looked) and withdrawing from forum involvement almost completely. We were lied to.

I don't wish Colby or his business any ill will, but neither am I all that concerned about whether his business succeeds, because he's made it clear that he's not interested in collaborating unless it's a business-friendly move (there's a reason the EvoScan cables work with EcuFlash). Best of luck to him.

But to the folks who actually produce work in this forum: consider the ramifications if Colby got hit by a bus tomorrow (or just decided enough is enough, and stopped selling cables, took down openecu.org, and let whatever releases of EcuFlash are floating around right now bit-rot). Where would that leave you tomorrow? How about a week later? Six months? A couple of years?

(Sorry for the length of this. I've been sick for a couple of weeks, and this was the first real discussion I saw after starting to get back in the swing of things, so I'm taking it out on this thread. Bleh. )

 

you seem to be on the same page as me, im glad someone can see the other side of this and not just one veiw