Wheatley

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Today I was out doing some tuning and had something very strange happen. Leading to a flatbed ride home.

I was only my 4th and final flash for the evening before heading back home. I have v1.3x and have never had a problem in the past. The only thing new today was the removal of evap and fpr solenoid. This is exactly what was done.

Periphery 0/FAA:
-EGR(ign advance) Bit 11 disable(some people leave it on, up to you)

Periphery 2/FCA:
- EVAP> Bit 13,14,15 Disable
- EGR > Bit 9 Disable

Periphery 4/FEA:
- FPR> Bit 7 Disable(When you also disable FCA/P2 Bit 15 that will also take care of the FPR) all are completely removed from the car and the car was running fine for 25 or so miles and I had started the car at least 5 times.

Upon my last flash the car would not restart. It cranks and thats it. I do not have stock coils I have sparktechs non cdi. Nothing other than above had been changed.

What I have done:
It has gas, a little over 1/4 tank.
I checked plugs 1 and 4 both are dry.
pulled return line off an it has fuel pumping on crank.
I logged to make sure rpm is reading (about 1k on crank)
I tried removing map from ecu and re writting my last known "good" map
I tried putting on an old map with out the perph listed
I tried leaving the battery unhooked for an hour then re connecting and installing previous known good map.

Still not starting. I can hear the ecu during write, I can hear a click after the write is done. Still no start.

Now this is dumb, Im not sure if I waited entirely during the last write before it didn't start before trying to crank. It was only a split second but Im not sure if I made a hasty mistake or not. Can anyone please assist me in this? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Matt W.

lan_evo_mr9

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I had this same problem before with mine- no rhyme or reason to why it happened, but it did. I downloaded a stock hex/bin file from evo wiki and flashed that into the ecu. After I did that it worked. Somehow or another my file got corrupted and my car wouldn't start- just crank and crank. Try getting another file to flash to your car- that should work.

Wheatley

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I did, I flashed an old file that I had on my computer from the tune ams did two years ago. Or are you saying one that has never been used on my car before and then transfer all of my data over to it?

tephra

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did you flash back the previous known good rom?

QwikEVO

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Wheatley

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Ive never changed the rom its always been 94170008. I have just saved it under a different name if I make a major tuning change. I only changed fuel and ign in the last four times I have flashed it nothing else and it worked every time.

This is my rom

<rom>
<romid>
<xmlid>94170008</xmlid>
<internalidaddress>f52</internalidaddress>
<internalidhex>94170008</internalidhex>
<caseid>MN132874</caseid>
<make>Mitsubishi</make>
<market>USDM</market>
<model>Lancer</model>
<submodel>EVO8</submodel>
<transmission>Manual</transmission>
<year>2004</year>
<flashmethod>mitsukernel</flashmethod>
<memmodel>SH7052</memmodel>
</romid>

<scaling name="ECUTime" units="ms" toexpr="1000*x/102" frexpr="102*x/1000" format="%.0f" min="0" max="100000" inc="1" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/>
<scaling name="ThrottlePercentage" units="%" toexpr="x/255*100" frexpr="x*255/100" format="%.0f" min="0" max="100" inc="1" storagetype="uint16"/>

<include>evo7base</include>

<table name="High Octane Fuel Map" address="33bd">
<table name="Load" address="6440" elements="18"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6418" elements="15"/>
</table>

<table name="Low Octane Fuel Map" address="34d7">
<table name="Load" address="6440" elements="18"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6418" elements="15"/>
</table>

<table name="High Octane Ignition Map 1" address="39d5">
<table name="Load" address="64a0" elements="19"/>
<table name="RPM" address="646e" elements="20"/>
</table>

<table name="Low Octane Ignition Map 1" address="3b5d">
<table name="Load" address="64a0" elements="19"/>
<table name="RPM" address="646e" elements="20"/>
</table>

<table name="Injector Battery Voltage Latency Compensation" address="37c0">
<table name="Battery Voltage" address="6380" elements="7"/>
</table>

<table name="Rev Limit" address="158c"/>

<table name="Stationary Rev Limit" address="2b4a"/>

<table name="Accel Enrichment" address="3864">
<table name="RPM" address="61b2" elements="15"/>
</table>

<table name="Boost Control Load Offset" address="1a70"/>

<table name="Turbo Boost Error Correction" address="4488">
<table name="Boost Error" address="6758" elements="17"/>
</table>

<table name="Boost Desired Engine Load # 1" address="44f8">
<table name="RPM" address="672e" elements="16"/>
</table>

<table name="Boost Desired Engine Load # 2" address="450e">
<table name="RPM" address="672e" elements="16"/>
</table>

<table name="Boost Desired Engine Load # 3" address="4524">
<table name="RPM" address="672e" elements="16"/>
</table>

<table name="Boost Desired Engine Load # 4" address="453a">
<table name="RPM" address="672e" elements="16"/>
</table>

<table name="Max Wastegate Duty # 1" address="44a0">
<table name="RPM" address="672e" elements="16"/>
</table>

<table name="Max Wastegate Duty # 2" address="44b6">
<table name="RPM" address="672e" elements="16"/>
</table>

<table name="Max Wastegate Duty # 3" address="44cc">
<table name="RPM" address="672e" elements="16"/>
</table>

<table name="Max Wastegate Duty # 4" address="44e2">
<table name="RPM" address="672e" elements="16"/>
</table>

<table name="Open Loop Load # 1" address="3624">
<table name="RPM" address="61b2" elements="15"/>
</table>

<table name="Open Loop Load # 2" address="363a">
<table name="RPM" address="61b2" elements="15"/>
</table>

<table name="Open Loop Throttle Low Load" address="3656">
<table name="RPM" address="61b2" elements="15"/>
</table>

<table name="Open Loop Throttle High Load" address="366c">
<table name="RPM" address="61b2" elements="15"/>
</table>

<table name="IC Relay Timer Time" address="2498">
<table name="Condition"/>
</table>

<table name="IC Relay Timer Control Judgement" address="209e">
<table name="Condition"/>
</table>

<table name="IC Relay Timer Air Temp" address="20a2"/>

<table name="IC Relay Timer ON Mode Switch Time" address="247e"/>

<table name="IC Relay Timer Control RPM" address="2480"/>

<table name="IC Relay Timer Control Water Temp" address="2482">
<table name="Condition"/>
</table>

<table name="IC Relay Control Vehicle Speed" address="2486"/>

<table name="IC Relay Control EV" address="2488"/>

<table name="Desired ISCV intial step position with AC off-Neutral" address="4276">
<table name="Engine Temp" address="6630" elements="8"/>
</table>

<table name="Desired ISCV intial step position with AC off-Drive" address="4284">
<table name="Engine Temp" address="6630" elements="8"/>
</table>

<table name="Desired ISCV intial step position with AC on-Neutral" address="4292">
<table name="Engine Temp" address="6630" elements="8"/>
</table>

<table name="Desired Idle RPM-Neutral" address="425a">
<table name="Engine Temp" address="6630" elements="8"/>
</table>

<table name="Desired Idle RPM-Drive" address="4268">
<table name="Engine Temp" address="6630" elements="8"/>
</table>

<table name="High Intake Air Temp ISCV Increase" address="220e">
<table name="Condition" elements="2"/>
</table>

<table name="Boost Limit" address="3614">
<table name="RPM" address="6b7e" elements="9"/>
</table>

<table name="Desired Idle RPM with AC on" address="186c">
<table name="Condition"/>
</table>

<table name="High Intake Air Temp Idle Speed Target" address="220a">
<table name="Condition"/>
</table>

<table name="Wastgate Solenoid Activation RPM" address="1668">
<table name="Condition"/>
</table>

<table name="Speed Limit" address="158e">
<table name="Condition"/>
</table>

<table name="Injector Scaling" address="1506"/>

<table name="Min Coolant Temp for Closed Loop" address="15aa"/>

<table name="Boost Cut Delay Timer" address="159a" elements="2"/>

<table name="MAF Scaling" address="3306" scaling="AirFlow8">
<table name="Load" address="6330" elements="21"/>
</table>

<table name="MAF Smoothing Table" address="3322">
<table name="Load" address="6330" elements="21"/>
</table>

<table name="Air Temperature Compensation" address="333e" scaling="uint8">
<table name="Degrees" address="654e" elements="8"/>
</table>

<table name="Barometric Pressure Compensation" address="3351">
<table name="Atmosphere Pressure" address="631e" elements="4"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6364" elements="9"/>
</table>

<table name="Idle Stepper Look-up Table" address="4399">
<table name="Throttle Position" address="6664" elements="8"/>
<table name="RPM" address="667e" elements="27"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 1" address="4850">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 2" address="48eb">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 3" address="497b">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 4" address="4a0b">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 5" address="4a9b">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 6" address="4b2b">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 7" address="4e09">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 8" address="4e99">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 9" address="4f29">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 10" address="4fb9">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 11" address="5049">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Knock Sensor Filter Map 12" address="50d9">
<table name="TAR" address="6836" elements="12"/>
<table name="RPM" address="6816" elements="11"/>
</table>

<table name="Immobilizer"/>

<table name="Boost Enhancement (Anti-Lag) Start RPM" address="1680"/>

<table name="MAF Sensor Filtering" address="1508">
<table name="Load"/>
</table>

<table name="MAF Size" address="150c"/>

<table name="Boost Enhancement (Anti-lag) Stop RPM" address="1682"/>

<table name="Min Temp for Full Boost Control" address="2200"/>

<table name="Boost Control Limiting Vehicle Speed" address="2204">
<table name="Condition"/>
</table>

<table name="Tephra Mod Options" category="Mods" address="3FC0C" type="3D" scaling="uint16">
<table name="X" type="Static X Axis" elements="1">
<data>Value</data>
</table>
<table name="Y" type="Static Y Axis" elements="3">
<data>Enable Rev Limit Switching?</data>
<data>Flash CEL on Knock?</data>
<data>Enable NLTS?</data>
</table>
</table>

<table name="KnockSum Required for CEL" category="Mods" address="3FC12" type="1D" scaling="uint16"/>
<table name="Load Required for CEL on Knock" category="Mods" address="3FC14" type="1D" scaling="Load"/>
<table name="CEL on Knock flash time" category="Mods" address="3FC16" type="1D" scaling="ECUTime"/>
<table name="Valet Rev Limit" category="Mods" address="3FC18" type="1D" scaling="RPMLimit"/>
<table name="Valet Rev Limit Time to Activate" category="Mods" address="3FC1A" type="1D" scaling="ECUTime"/>

<table name="NLTS RPM Drop" category="Mods" address="3FC1C" type="1D" scaling="uint16"/>
<table name="NLTS TPS Threshold" category="Mods" address="3FC1E" type="1D" scaling="ThrottlePercentage"/>
<table name="NLTS Speed Threshold" category="Mods" address="3FC20" type="1D" scaling="VehicleSpeed"/>

<scaling name="blobbits" storagetype="bloblist" storagebits="1">
<data name="0" value="00"/>
<data name="1" value="01"/>
</scaling>

<table name="ECU Periphery00 (F9A) Bits" category="Periphery" address="f9a" type="2D" level="2" scaling="blobbits">
<table name="Periphery Bit Number" type="Static Y Axis" flipy="true" elements="16">
<data>bit.15</data>
<data>bit.14</data>
<data>bit.13</data>
<data>bit.12</data>
<data>bit.11</data>
<data>bit.10</data>
<data>bit.9</data>
<data>bit.8</data>
<data>bit.7</data>
<data>bit.6</data>
<data>bit.5</data>
<data>bit.4</data>
<data>bit.3</data>
<data>bit.2</data>
<data>bit.1</data>
<data>bit.0</data>
</table>
</table>

<table name="ECU Periphery0 (FAA) Bits" category="Periphery" address="faa" type="2D" level="2" scaling="blobbits">
<table name="Periphery Bit Number" type="Static Y Axis" flipy="true" elements="16">
<data>bit.15</data>
<data>bit.14</data>
<data>bit.13</data>
<data>bit.12</data>
<data>bit.11</data>
<data>bit.10</data>
<data>bit.9</data>
<data>bit.8</data>
<data>bit.7</data>
<data>bit.6</data>
<data>bit.5</data>
<data>bit.4</data>
<data>bit.3</data>
<data>bit.2</data>
<data>bit.1</data>
<data>bit.0</data>
</table>
</table>

<table name="ECU Periphery1 (FBA) Bits" category="Periphery" address="fba" type="2D" level="2" scaling="blobbits">
<table name="Periphery Bit Number" type="Static Y Axis" flipy="true" elements="16">
<data>bit.15</data>
<data>bit.14</data>
<data>bit.13</data>
<data>bit.12</data>
<data>bit.11</data>
<data>bit.10</data>
<data>bit.9</data>
<data>bit.8</data>
<data>bit.7</data>
<data>bit.6</data>
<data>bit.5</data>
<data>bit.4</data>
<data>bit.3</data>
<data>bit.2</data>
<data>bit.1</data>
<data>bit.0</data>
</table>
</table>

<table name="ECU Periphery2 (FCA) Bits" category="Periphery" address="fca" type="2D" level="2" scaling="blobbits">
<table name="Periphery Bit Number" type="Static Y Axis" flipy="true" elements="16">
<data>bit.15</data>
<data>bit.14</data>
<data>bit.13</data>
<data>bit.12</data>
<data>bit.11</data>
<data>bit.10</data>
<data>bit.9</data>
<data>bit.8</data>
<data>bit.7</data>
<data>bit.6</data>
<data>bit.5</data>
<data>bit.4</data>
<data>bit.3</data>
<data>bit.2</data>
<data>bit.1</data>
<data>bit.0</data>
</table>
</table>

<table name="ECU Periphery3 (FDA) Bits" category="Periphery" address="fda" type="2D" level="2" scaling="blobbits">
<table name="Periphery Bit Number" type="Static Y Axis" flipy="true" elements="16">
<data>bit.15</data>
<data>bit.14</data>
<data>bit.13</data>
<data>bit.12</data>
<data>bit.11</data>
<data>bit.10</data>
<data>bit.9</data>
<data>bit.8</data>
<data>bit.7</data>
<data>bit.6</data>
<data>bit.5</data>
<data>bit.4</data>
<data>bit.3</data>
<data>bit.2</data>
<data>bit.1</data>
<data>bit.0</data>
</table>
</table>

<table name="ECU Periphery4 (FEA) Bits" category="Periphery" address="fea" type="2D" level="2" scaling="blobbits">
<table name="Periphery Bit Number" type="Static Y Axis" flipy="true" elements="16">
<data>bit.15</data>
<data>bit.14</data>
<data>bit.13</data>
<data>bit.12</data>
<data>bit.11</data>
<data>bit.10</data>
<data>bit.9</data>
<data>bit.8</data>
<data>bit.7</data>
<data>bit.6</data>
<data>bit.5</data>
<data>bit.4</data>
<data>bit.3</data>
<data>bit.2</data>
<data>bit.1</data>
<data>bit.0</data>
</table>
</table>

</rom>


I dont have a untouched 94170008 only the one above.

tephra

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well the only think I can think of is your injector settings are wrong...

and that last time the car worked was because the trims had managed to get them within 'running' ...

pretty far out guess thou..

Wheatley

iTrader: (20)

Its possible, this tune came from a car that has been running for over a year with almost identical mods. and made over 500hp which I am under due to lower boost.

I am not challenging the idea and am willing to make a change if neccasary. Just need to be pointed in the right direction.

On a side note I have gone back to an two different ams tunes and this one and none are starting wouldnt it suggest that the injector settings are correct or it wouldnt have been running for the last three years?

Wheatley

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Not to mention I have also put over 2k miles on the above tune without so much as a hiccup. The only thing I changed yesterday were wot values. All idle and startup tables have been left alone. I did remove fpr, and evap solenoids yesterday and entered said values in the Periphery table

tephra

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what injectors do u have? what are you scaling and latencies? - long shot but it cant hurt...

what do you mean you removed the FPR? can that even be done?

as I said b4 its best you return the car to the previous state, ie hardware AND ecu/rom...

then you can work out which change broke it

Wheatley

iTrader: (20)

sorry I didnt finish my thought fpr solenoid.

lan_evo_mr9

iTrader: (10)

Try a brand new file- from wiki or aktivematrix. I tried leaving my ecu unplugged over night and didn't do anything. The problem was resolved after flashing a new file into the ecu. Make sure when you do your flashes that you wait 15 seconds or so with the ignition off before trying to start the car. Is your SES light coming on with ignition on- if not you may have a blown fuse or no ignition power to ecu- ran into that before too.

Wheatley

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It does have an ses light on when ignition on. On the bright side I pulled every fuse under the dash and found one blown. Replaced and it fires. Its rough since everything is a mess from trying so many different things but it fires which is a huge relief. I checked the fuses under the hood the other day and never checked under the dash since it was dark and on the side of the road. Thanks to everyone that helped!

G20

iTrader: (13)

which fuse is it?

Wheatley

iTrader: (20)

Under the dash there are two if I remember correctly. One is a ten and one is a 7.5. The ten in the upper left hand corner. First fuse. It was that one. All of the other engine fuses were fine.