MAF scaling or injector scaling/latency
Im about to tune this 05 MR with GT30 and a bunch of mods, including intake/intake pipe and upgraded injectors (the owner of the car doesnt know the exact cc). They are scaled at 713 in the ROM. I dont know if the scaling is correct, cuz most of the tune is "weird" and "off". The MAF scaling is still stock.
Now the LTFT low is pegged at +12.6. LTFT Mid and LTFT High are near 0 I know that I need to either -adjust the injector scaling and latency -rescale the MAF to compensate for the intake and piping What I dont know if which method should I use to correct the fuel trim? MAF or injectors? Or both? If both, what one do I start with first? TIA |
Assuming the WOT is correct, then latency is the key. If the whole thing is wonky then it will be a combination of both. Latency is your idle/cruise correction (more or less) independent of your WOT fueling (scaling...more or less).
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
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Assuming the WOT is correct, then latency is the key. If the whole thing is wonky then it will be a combination of both. Latency is your idle/cruise correction (more or less) independent of your WOT fueling (scaling...more or less).
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Ummm I dont believe in rescaling the MAF :lol:
It affects too many other things that we have only begun to get into to. Most of the time it will only affect where the MAF puts the load, and it is usually very linear. For instance the HKS & ARC induction box makes a car read VERY low from where it should be for the airflow actually going through the MAF. Some go the opposite way and make it ALOT higher than where it should be. I just tune the car where it actually is and dont sweat the details. |
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
(Post 7651237)
Ummm I dont believe in rescaling the MAF :lol:
It affects too many other things that we have only begun to get into to. Most of the time it will only affect where the MAF puts the load, and it is usually very linear. For instance the HKS & ARC induction box makes a car read VERY low from where it should be for the airflow actually going through the MAF. Some go the opposite way and make it ALOT higher than where it should be. I just tune the car where it actually is and dont sweat the details. |
Correct.
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
(Post 7651264)
Correct.
also, I couldnt tell if you were agreeing or not about that you dont like to change the MAF scaling. Seemed like you were saying that you DONT like rescaling the MAF. |
Aaron doesn't like to/doesn't mess with MAF scaling... period. As long as the fuel trims are + or - 10% then good to go... set it and forget it...
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Originally Posted by Fast_Freddie
(Post 7651324)
Aaron doesn't like to/doesn't mess with MAF scaling... period. As long as the fuel trims are + or - 10% then good to go... set it and forget it...
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If a hardpipe is causing issues it will throw off both the load low and low freq MAF values (because MAF frequency used in the ROM is calculated from load). What load value range are you getting at (a decent) idle? Is it a stock-ish load value?
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Originally Posted by mrfred
(Post 7651553)
If a hardpipe is causing issues it will throw off both the load low and low freq MAF values (because MAF frequency used in the ROM is calculated from load). What load value range are you getting at (a decent) idle? Is it a stock-ish load value?
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Originally Posted by Evo_Kid
(Post 7653441)
It idles around 30 load, which seems pretty normal to me.
I sometimes, rarely, but sometimes mess with MAF scaling. I haven't found anything over 13% off but if so i usually get it <10 closer to 5%. It isn't difficult and i just smooth the curve from the adjusted idle and cruise values to the other values. I don't typically touch anything over cruise. |
Another option is to change the MAF compensation table. (MAF Adjusment is what I call it). By increasing by only 1 point you affect fuel trims by 5-8%. For those of you that are way out on your fuel trims, a minor tweek here could help.
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JohnBradley,
Have you ever used latency on stock injectors to correct low and mid LTFTs? I am running stock injectors with an open cone filter and my LTFT's are pegging at 12 and 9 for low and mid. |
Originally Posted by MR White
(Post 7867309)
JohnBradley,
Have you ever used latency on stock injectors to correct low and mid LTFTs? I am running stock injectors with an open cone filter and my LTFT's are pegging at 12 and 9 for low and mid. NAB |
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