763whp/595tq STOCK ECU, SpeedDensity, E85 by TTP!
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You are going to have to put some faith in that TC and let it rip!! Good luck at the track
This is why dynojets are the way to go. If I had a scale that said I weigh 120lbs and I really weigh 180 that doesnt mean the lower # is the truth. I dont get how people somehow think a lower # means more accurate. CBRD, BR and anyone else who has stupid low reading dynos should not compare themselves to people whohave more realistic dyno #'s. I saw a car that has dynoed over 600whp on a dynojet do under 500 on CBRD dyno. That is not realistic. To see a Supercharged C5 Z06 do 360whp on CBRD's dyno the same day is retarded. Also for a 700whp car that is full weight run 160mph is also retarded. These numbers are artificially low and should be noted as such. All the math and dynojet #'s are similar and repeatable.
They make these wonderful 1/4 mile calculators that take your WHP and the weight of your vehicle with driver and can usually give you an accurate E.T. and MPH. Sometimes the E.T. will vary due to driver error or track prep but the MPH is fairly accurate. If you take the 763 HP claimed and the claimed weight of 3365 guess what happens when it is entered?? 9.552 @ 142.69 hmmm looks pretty close to the MPH they ran. At the corrected 713 HP it would run 9.771 @139. You guys should check out Jcalculator or some of the other 1/4 mile calculators they are fun to punch in different variables to see what you can come up with.
Thanks for the info. It gives a good goal E.T. to shoot for with the appropriate MPH.
The program is located here: http://www.jcalculator.com/?c=1_4_mile_calculator
The MPH is dead nuts. The ET would be tough to achieve though unless you are John Force.
The program is located here: http://www.jcalculator.com/?c=1_4_mile_calculator
The MPH is dead nuts. The ET would be tough to achieve though unless you are John Force.
Also according to the calculator in TTP's link it would take 1100whp for a 3420lb evo (mine with me in it full weight) to trap 160mph in the 1/4mile. A 700whp car will run 138mph which is exactly what I have seen time and time again. My friend engine dynoed his Nova and it made 800chp and run 142mph weighing 3100 with driver in the cold but only 136mph in the heat. The math seems right. MD #'s are stupid and are only good for a before/after comparo of the same car on the same dyno.
There is no even playing field. No shop is in the same geographic area, altitude, humidity or intake air temperature location. We are not complaining that the air temperature is not currently 32*F so we can run 150mph in the northeast. It is what it is, it was 81*F today.
There are two other Mustang Dyno's within 3-18 miles from us, neither of which have any complaints. In fact in my opinion we read lower than both. One is an AWD-500 SE exactly the same as the rest with 4 roller front and the other is an IMP-1100SE.
I would love to take the car to Norwalk and see what it does there.
There are two other Mustang Dyno's within 3-18 miles from us, neither of which have any complaints. In fact in my opinion we read lower than both. One is an AWD-500 SE exactly the same as the rest with 4 roller front and the other is an IMP-1100SE.
I would love to take the car to Norwalk and see what it does there.
i think thats the answer and end to this thread is to takke the ttp car to buschurs and dyno it there that way buschur knows the dyno cant be messed or altered with and both parties are there and will see if the proclaimed 76x hp is true !!!!! who agrees?????
This is why dynojets are the way to go. If I had a scale that said I weigh 120lbs and I really weigh 180 that doesnt mean the lower # is the truth. I dont get how people somehow think a lower # means more accurate. CBRD, BR and anyone else who has stupid low reading dynos should not compare themselves to people whohave more realistic dyno #'s. I saw a car that has dynoed over 600whp on a dynojet do under 500 on CBRD dyno. That is not realistic. To see a Supercharged C5 Z06 do 360whp on CBRD's dyno the same day is retarded. Also for a 700whp car that is full weight run 160mph is also retarded. These numbers are artificially low and should be noted as such. All the math and dynojet #'s are similar and repeatable.
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i think thats the answer and end to this thread is to takke the ttp car to buschurs and dyno it there that way buschur knows the dyno cant be messed or altered with and both parties are there and will see if the proclaimed 76x hp is true !!!!! who agrees?????
i think thats the answer and end to this thread is to takke the ttp car to buschurs and dyno it there that way buschur knows the dyno cant be messed or altered with and both parties are there and will see if the proclaimed 76x hp is true !!!!! who agrees?????
Changing the dyno reading is a dis-service to the thousands of customers that have used it and all of the testing we have ever done on it. According to the logs we have put 178,000 miles on it last year alone. Changing the way the factory set up the dyno negates all prior tests and baselines, testing ever completed on the unit.
We have both weather corrected and uncorrected numbers available at the customer request. As previously stated the car put down 713whp uncorrected.
We have both weather corrected and uncorrected numbers available at the customer request. As previously stated the car put down 713whp uncorrected.
Lets say, for argument's sake, you do 20 pulls (complete overestimation) per car for each tune. Say each pull is 1 a mile.
If you divide 178,000 by 20, that's 8900 cars per year on your dyno alone.
If you divide 8900 by 365, that's 24 cars per day.
Divide that by a very busy 12-hour work day, and you have two cars on your dyno each hour doing 20 pulls each.
Wat.
I'm not insulting you or calling you out, but how did you do that?
Changing the dyno reading is a dis-service to the thousands of customers that have used it and all of the testing we have ever done on it. According to the logs we have put 178,000 miles on it last year alone. Changing the way the factory set up the dyno negates all prior tests and baselines, testing ever completed on the unit.
We have both weather corrected and uncorrected numbers available at the customer request. As previously stated the car put down 713whp uncorrected.
We have both weather corrected and uncorrected numbers available at the customer request. As previously stated the car put down 713whp uncorrected.
I understand what youre saying though. You will most certainly have repeat customers coming back and trying to beat their previous numbers and changing your entire setup will screw them all up. so it could hurt and help you at the same time as far as the community goes.
I would take the car to big valley and get numbers so everyone shuts up about your dyno numbers. I highly doubt they would rig their dyno to damage your vehicle considering the consequences of that.
How can you not agree if he has a product that reads extremely higher then the rest of the products his product is accurate? If its true that 80-90% of other mustang dynos read around the same numbers as everyone elses and his reads extremely higher, then something needs to be calibrated for his to match the others. otherwise, his numbers will always and forever be questioned..
well if u read the whole thread u would understand.... buschur is saying there are more the 15 vendors that have the same dyno and are all in agree with how close there numbers are and are all in agreement that ttp's dyno #s are way higher then theres it raises red flags, so just as ttp wrote id love to dyno in wakeman oh right???? so that would end this dyno pissing match between everyone
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How did you do that, sir?
Lets say, for argument's sake, you do 20 pulls (complete overestimation) per car for each tune. Say each pull is 1 a mile.
If you divide 178,000 by 20, that's 8900 cars per year on your dyno alone.
If you divide 8900 by 365, that's 24 cars per day.
Divide that by a very busy 12-hour work day, and you have two cars on your dyno each hour doing 20 pulls each.
Wat.
I'm not insulting you or calling you out, but how did you do that?
Lets say, for argument's sake, you do 20 pulls (complete overestimation) per car for each tune. Say each pull is 1 a mile.
If you divide 178,000 by 20, that's 8900 cars per year on your dyno alone.
If you divide 8900 by 365, that's 24 cars per day.
Divide that by a very busy 12-hour work day, and you have two cars on your dyno each hour doing 20 pulls each.
Wat.
I'm not insulting you or calling you out, but how did you do that?
I can put 100+ miles or so on my own car in a dyno session however have not logged the mileage to check. On the evo x testing and development for the zchip product I could spend 4-6 hours straight on the dyno gathering data and testing different driving conditions.
Mustang Dyno's are far more advanced with many more features than a dynojet which is why the tuning on them is the same on the machine as on the street.
Any time the rollers are spinning, the dyno is counting mileage.
well if u read the whole thread u would understand.... buschur is saying there are more the 15 vendors that have the same dyno and are all in agree with how close there numbers are and are all in agreement that ttp's dyno #s are way higher then theres it raises red flags, so just as ttp wrote id love to dyno in wakeman oh right???? so that would end this dyno pissing match between everyone
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well if u read the whole thread u would understand.... buschur is saying there are more the 15 vendors that have the same dyno and are all in agree with how close there numbers are and are all in agreement that ttp's dyno #s are way higher then theres it raises red flags, so just as ttp wrote id love to dyno in wakeman oh right???? so that would end this dyno pissing match between everyone
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How can you not agree if he has a product that reads extremely higher then the rest of the products his product is accurate? If its true that 80-90% of other mustang dynos read around the same numbers as everyone elses and his reads extremely higher, then something needs to be calibrated for his to match the others. otherwise, his numbers will always and forever be questioned..
If anyone else would like to ship their dyno to Orlando FL and set it up in 94% humidity and 89*F weather to test our car on it, feel free.