View Poll Results: Should all Horspower Records be set or backed up MANDATORY on Dynojet Dyno??
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Dyno Records.. We need 1 Standard of Measurement!!! Vote Now..
Aug 1, 2010, 06:22 PM
#16
Id say STD is the Standard of measurement.. AMS has always used this from what i see, We always have as well.. Seems STD is safest because it does allow some correction for those of us in 110 dyno temps vs some in NW 10 degree.. The dynojet will add and subtract HP accordingly via weather station..
Tiny manipulations are unavoidable.. if a HP record is broken by 20hp on 800hp car nothing much anyone can do.. Every dyno varies a little anyway.. however this keeps the Dishonest guys away that make claims such as 430whp on pump stock 8 turbo.. you wont make that on any dynojet in the country..
Tiny manipulations are unavoidable.. if a HP record is broken by 20hp on 800hp car nothing much anyone can do.. Every dyno varies a little anyway.. however this keeps the Dishonest guys away that make claims such as 430whp on pump stock 8 turbo.. you wont make that on any dynojet in the country..
Aug 1, 2010, 06:22 PM
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I completely understand, definitely not tryin to make it shop vs shop at all just trying to play devils advocate a bit and give an example. How would you establish this standard without alienating some?
Driving long distances to get on a dynojet just might not be an option for some. Not to mention kinda unfair...
But I guess if a HP record is what you're gunning for and put 100s of dollars and hours into you car, if ya had to drive a few states to get to a dynojet, ya probly would.
Driving long distances to get on a dynojet just might not be an option for some. Not to mention kinda unfair...
But I guess if a HP record is what you're gunning for and put 100s of dollars and hours into you car, if ya had to drive a few states to get to a dynojet, ya probly would.
Aug 1, 2010, 06:29 PM
#19
I completely understand, definitely not tryin to make it shop vs shop at all just trying to play devils advocate a bit and give an example. How would you establish this standard without alienating some?
Driving long distances to get on a dynojet just might not be an option for some. Not to mention kinda unfair...
But I guess if a HP record is what you're gunning for and put 100s of dollars and hours into you car, if ya had to drive a few states to get to a dynojet, ya probly would.
Driving long distances to get on a dynojet just might not be an option for some. Not to mention kinda unfair...
But I guess if a HP record is what you're gunning for and put 100s of dollars and hours into you car, if ya had to drive a few states to get to a dynojet, ya probly would.
Aug 1, 2010, 06:32 PM
#20
Im not saying the MD isnt an awesome dyno.. If i could trade my dyno straight up for MD i would.. because on my setup i cant dyno porsche, bentley, Lambo, etc.. without buying a 12k addon belt and still wont have eddy current.. so if i could go back i woulda bought an MD..
lets keep it on topic.. YES or NO.. Not which shop uses what and why.. thats not the point of the thread.. Thanks!!
Mike
Aug 1, 2010, 06:44 PM
#22
If they are using a mustang its for the load bearing features of course.. makes tuning much easier. in certain applications. We own Dynojet, just like AMS, Iveytune, Titan Motorsports and many others.
Im not saying the MD isnt an awesome dyno.. If i could trade my dyno straight up for MD i would.. because on my setup i cant dyno porsche, bentley, Lambo, etc.. without buying a 12k addon belt and still wont have eddy current.. so if i could go back i woulda bought an MD..
lets keep it on topic.. YES or NO.. Not which shop uses what and why.. thats not the point of the thread.. Thanks!!
Mike
Im not saying the MD isnt an awesome dyno.. If i could trade my dyno straight up for MD i would.. because on my setup i cant dyno porsche, bentley, Lambo, etc.. without buying a 12k addon belt and still wont have eddy current.. so if i could go back i woulda bought an MD..
lets keep it on topic.. YES or NO.. Not which shop uses what and why.. thats not the point of the thread.. Thanks!!
Mike
I voted only because I agree to have a standard for those who claim records although I could give a rats *** about dyno records.
Aug 1, 2010, 07:16 PM
#25
If this conversation gets out of control it will be closed.
Not that there is much to converse about. No one has the ability to control or regulate this so the discussion is moot. If the industry was willing to be honest they would do a couple things 1) never use dyno numbers for anything since they are pretty much an arbitrary number and 2) they would be honest with what tools they have today.
A Dyno is just a tool for tuning and displaying the range of power output - torque/hp curve, not a number.
Not that there is much to converse about. No one has the ability to control or regulate this so the discussion is moot. If the industry was willing to be honest they would do a couple things 1) never use dyno numbers for anything since they are pretty much an arbitrary number and 2) they would be honest with what tools they have today.
A Dyno is just a tool for tuning and displaying the range of power output - torque/hp curve, not a number.
Last edited by MR Turco; Aug 1, 2010 at 07:19 PM.
Aug 1, 2010, 07:45 PM
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I voted "no". First off I don't care about dyno records to be dead honest, we got caught up in that ONE time and took our black car to Switzers, this was early on and it made 903 which at the time tied us with AMS's 903. It was a waste of time and we never hauled a car there again to set a record with.
Records are for the track and to be honest Mike, you should ignore all these other guys with high numbers because as your signature shows, you know how to put the power to the ground and set records on the track where they belong.
As you said, our black car set and STILL holds the highest MPH for an EVO8 at 172.74 mph, the car here dyno'd like 890 whp...........I think I've seen EVO's making 1100+whp and they can't trap that high, so how much power were WE making? I don't care, I just like having the same record for 4 years!
Records are for the track and to be honest Mike, you should ignore all these other guys with high numbers because as your signature shows, you know how to put the power to the ground and set records on the track where they belong.
As you said, our black car set and STILL holds the highest MPH for an EVO8 at 172.74 mph, the car here dyno'd like 890 whp...........I think I've seen EVO's making 1100+whp and they can't trap that high, so how much power were WE making? I don't care, I just like having the same record for 4 years!
Aug 1, 2010, 07:50 PM
#27
Who gives a **** about dyno numbers anyway, seriously? A dyno is a relative tuning tool to compare one run to the last.
If you want some way to compare one car to the next in different locations and/or at different times just run it at the track. Plain and simple. If you want to take the driver ability out of the equation, just use car+driver weight and trap speed.
But of course, that's just my opinion and I know that so many people here just love dyno numbers.
If you want some way to compare one car to the next in different locations and/or at different times just run it at the track. Plain and simple. If you want to take the driver ability out of the equation, just use car+driver weight and trap speed.
But of course, that's just my opinion and I know that so many people here just love dyno numbers.
Aug 1, 2010, 08:27 PM
#28
this is why I do not post or speak of my dyno numbers. Everyone wants to play a numbers game. O he made 500 HP and I made 505. He ran 11.4 and ill ( notice I'll ) run 11.3
Man stfu. And get your *** to a track and show what numbers you can make there.
Im with you Mike. Dynojet as a standard. But track times as a MUST. You guys prove track numbers all week long over and over and over.
Man stfu. And get your *** to a track and show what numbers you can make there.
Im with you Mike. Dynojet as a standard. But track times as a MUST. You guys prove track numbers all week long over and over and over.
Aug 1, 2010, 08:29 PM
#29
I think the ET/mph basis for representing horsepower can be skewed as shown by STM. All of their cars weigh 25xx pounds or less. Hard to compare ET/MPH of two engines when one vehicle weighs 500 pounds less. Every shop does their best IMO to lighten their Evo's to make their car seem "fast for the modifications."
Only person I know that drag races a full weight Evo is Lucas English. His car weighs 3100+ Its an SSL with a baby seat.
Sorry to go OT, but I think you're on the right track for determining how to set HP records for the internet forums lol.
"A dyno is a relative tuning tool to compare one run to the last." They're just trying to use a dyno as a relative measure of horsepower to compare one car to the next....
Only person I know that drag races a full weight Evo is Lucas English. His car weighs 3100+ Its an SSL with a baby seat.
Sorry to go OT, but I think you're on the right track for determining how to set HP records for the internet forums lol.
"A dyno is a relative tuning tool to compare one run to the last." They're just trying to use a dyno as a relative measure of horsepower to compare one car to the next....
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Aug 1, 2010, 08:56 PM
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We use Mustang dynomometers for EPA and CARB powermap calibrations, there are no dynojet dynamometers used in the industry that I have even seen. Regardless, in the auto performance industry, I consider Dynojet to be the standard since it made to produce a number, not so much a tuning tool compared to the other systems..I would say use dynojet as the standard all the way unless all of the calibration data and dyno parameters are proven down to the second, but a trained eye can spot when something is fishy.. I bite my tounge on this forum everytime I visit the tuning results section, but I am used to seeing high numbers anymore, hell I have not even posted a graph from a customer in ages
Dynojet uses a very different method of calculating HP/tq then mustang, all in all I think it works very well, but the best of both worlds CAN be combined but this is a niche market and it would be very expensive.. Picture eddy current dyno, 5 or 10 different flywheels for inertia, custom software to calculate power by time vs. roller speed as well as load cell from power absorbtion unit.. Truth be told, mustang does make such an animal
Dynojet uses a very different method of calculating HP/tq then mustang, all in all I think it works very well, but the best of both worlds CAN be combined but this is a niche market and it would be very expensive.. Picture eddy current dyno, 5 or 10 different flywheels for inertia, custom software to calculate power by time vs. roller speed as well as load cell from power absorbtion unit.. Truth be told, mustang does make such an animal
It seems when 1 Mustang Dyno / Dyno Dynamics shop leaves another 1 appears each as bad as the last.. I am not naming or referring to anyone in particular..
This has been discussed in the past and unanimously agreed upon that any shop to claim a dyno record that the only fair standard to use is the Dynojet.. A system that is by Fact the industry standard. A system that can only be manipulated by weather station but clearly prints out the correction of the run.. IF on a dynojet you were to see 250 degree dyno room temps in order to get a 15% correction it would be very clear someone put a heat source on the weather station.. or they were dynoing very close to the sun.. LOL
Unfortunately these other systems like MD and DD when in the wrong hands can simply change the vehicle weight or use the CTRL + X system and increase HP.. This makes competing with supposed records holders IMPOSSIBLE.. Unlike 1/4 mile tracks where there is a Standard of 1320ft that needs to be covered with dynos any operator can enter info into the system to make HP..
Id like to propose a POLL of YES or NO on whether or not a dynojet needs to be used to claim a HP Record along with the correction factor for that run be shown as well..
Lastly, my proposal is simply to help keep the industry HONEST as I dont have anything to gain personally.. My Signature is comprised of Track Times.. NOT HP records.. Lets have a constructive discussion.. I am not fingering any shops at all so this shouldnt be a flame war at all.. Thanks!!
Mike
This has been discussed in the past and unanimously agreed upon that any shop to claim a dyno record that the only fair standard to use is the Dynojet.. A system that is by Fact the industry standard. A system that can only be manipulated by weather station but clearly prints out the correction of the run.. IF on a dynojet you were to see 250 degree dyno room temps in order to get a 15% correction it would be very clear someone put a heat source on the weather station.. or they were dynoing very close to the sun.. LOL
Unfortunately these other systems like MD and DD when in the wrong hands can simply change the vehicle weight or use the CTRL + X system and increase HP.. This makes competing with supposed records holders IMPOSSIBLE.. Unlike 1/4 mile tracks where there is a Standard of 1320ft that needs to be covered with dynos any operator can enter info into the system to make HP..
Id like to propose a POLL of YES or NO on whether or not a dynojet needs to be used to claim a HP Record along with the correction factor for that run be shown as well..
Lastly, my proposal is simply to help keep the industry HONEST as I dont have anything to gain personally.. My Signature is comprised of Track Times.. NOT HP records.. Lets have a constructive discussion.. I am not fingering any shops at all so this shouldnt be a flame war at all.. Thanks!!
Mike