FP Black Ball Bearing tested - documentary results inside.
Jul 29, 2011, 07:13 AM
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but ya guys, theres no clipping.. its the standard turbine wheel fp offers. the turbine housing is not ported either. i might put the stiffer hallman spring in then lower the boost to 35psi.. not sure yet. i will run multiple tests tho and report back.. 
today is going to be another 95F day though, its already 80 at 10am.
any questions, suggestions, things you want me to do and log let me know.. i will do it. thats why i made this thread.. to show feedback of this unit for the community.
today is going to be another 95F day though, its already 80 at 10am.
any questions, suggestions, things you want me to do and log let me know.. i will do it. thats why i made this thread.. to show feedback of this unit for the community.
Jul 29, 2011, 09:13 AM
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but ya guys, theres no clipping.. its the standard turbine wheel fp offers. the turbine housing is not ported either. i might put the stiffer hallman spring in then lower the boost to 35psi.. not sure yet. i will run multiple tests tho and report back..
today is going to be another 95F day though, its already 80 at 10am.
any questions, suggestions, things you want me to do and log let me know.. i will do it. thats why i made this thread.. to show feedback of this unit for the community.
today is going to be another 95F day though, its already 80 at 10am.
any questions, suggestions, things you want me to do and log let me know.. i will do it. thats why i made this thread.. to show feedback of this unit for the community.
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Jul 29, 2011, 11:43 AM
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This may be a stupid question - but if you're spending all this $$ on a ball bearing conversion, why are you using an MBC? Changing out to an ECU based control could easily gain you a little bit quicker spool and you can iron out the boost spike, or try to keep it holding boost better up top.
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Jul 29, 2011, 02:23 PM
#35
This may be a stupid question - but if you're spending all this $$ on a ball bearing conversion, why are you using an MBC? Changing out to an ECU based control could easily gain you a little bit quicker spool and you can iron out the boost spike, or try to keep it holding boost better up top.
Dave
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Sry for the off topic.
Jul 29, 2011, 02:54 PM
#36
It depends on the way you set up your boost control when using the 3 port.
You have the option on keeping the 3 port at 100% duty cycle below a certain load (or boost)
Using Tephra mods. Ie: wgdc = 100 below 24 psi. This way it will spool faster!
You have the option on keeping the 3 port at 100% duty cycle below a certain load (or boost)
Using Tephra mods. Ie: wgdc = 100 below 24 psi. This way it will spool faster!
Jul 29, 2011, 03:04 PM
#37
you are entitled to believe in what you want, im not trying to tell you to do anything. I tune cars with 3 ports all the time.. as does Jay.. i like them both.. i just prefer a mbc on my personal car.
Jul 29, 2011, 03:06 PM
#38
its not posted in here.. its just from data logs ive acquired so far.. on the journal bearing i was able to see 33psi by 3800rpm and on the ball bearing i seen it around 3650-3700 so far in some logs when starting the pull low rpm.
Jul 29, 2011, 07:45 PM
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Congratulations on your results Tom. Have you ever tested the Turbo XS HPMBC? I ask beacuse I have been running the Hallman Pro RX with my stock turbo for the last year and I also love it, I ordered the new harder spring for it as well. Anyway, since stuff takes long to reach Peru, I decided to install a TX HPMBC I had laying around from my GC8 Sti (slowwwly being repaired).
I think from my initial testing the HPMBC could actualy work better than the Hallman pro with original stiff spring, I can get higher peak boost and it is holding maybe 0.5 psi better up top as well when set to a similar peak boost. I must admit I didn´t understand well how to set the HPMBC up when I bought it a couple years ago, but now I´m finding the bleed valve coupled with the ball spring valve are giving me better adjustability and higher boost capability than my maxed out Hallman.
Good luck!
Ricardo
I think from my initial testing the HPMBC could actualy work better than the Hallman pro with original stiff spring, I can get higher peak boost and it is holding maybe 0.5 psi better up top as well when set to a similar peak boost. I must admit I didn´t understand well how to set the HPMBC up when I bought it a couple years ago, but now I´m finding the bleed valve coupled with the ball spring valve are giving me better adjustability and higher boost capability than my maxed out Hallman.
Good luck!
Ricardo
Jul 30, 2011, 12:43 PM
#43
The new ones are clipped TScomp...here was my new black..
Here is what my new red looked like:
It's tough to see but you can tell the newer ones, the exhaust wheels are clipped. It doesn't hurt them at all though, its a good thing, just so the flimsy part of the blades don't overheat and bend/warp/break and cause problems.
Here is what my new red looked like:
It's tough to see but you can tell the newer ones, the exhaust wheels are clipped. It doesn't hurt them at all though, its a good thing, just so the flimsy part of the blades don't overheat and bend/warp/break and cause problems.
Jul 30, 2011, 12:59 PM
#44
went to the interstate last night with smooth and flat roads. focused only on the area in green for now .. but you can see i got somewhere. i believe theres even more tq to open downlow with afr tweaks. this time around was timing tweaks only
Im on the fence about just taking it to a dyno, because i would beable to extract every last HP/TQ in like 30min to an hr on a real dyno. now just to polish the low end afr.
timing is SUPER low past 5k.. this is just a base map i decided to load and slowly extract all HP so i can confirm everythings MBT.
temps were 81F at 2am.
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heres todays pulls with a few more tweaks (91F right now).. ( AFR TWEAKS) ( KEEP IN MIND THE TIMING IS FLAT RIGHT NOW IN THESE PULLS.. I was only focusing on maximizing spool low end tq region. )
All I gotta say is.. when this thing hits it ****ing hits.. it yanks you into the seat.. the power comes on so hard you feel like you got pushed hard and the car takes off.. the car feels very good.. the power is extremely aggressive when it comes on.. this combination is insane..
Im on the fence about just taking it to a dyno, because i would beable to extract every last HP/TQ in like 30min to an hr on a real dyno. now just to polish the low end afr.
timing is SUPER low past 5k.. this is just a base map i decided to load and slowly extract all HP so i can confirm everythings MBT.
temps were 81F at 2am.
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heres todays pulls with a few more tweaks (91F right now).. ( AFR TWEAKS) ( KEEP IN MIND THE TIMING IS FLAT RIGHT NOW IN THESE PULLS.. I was only focusing on maximizing spool low end tq region. )
All I gotta say is.. when this thing hits it ****ing hits.. it yanks you into the seat.. the power comes on so hard you feel like you got pushed hard and the car takes off.. the car feels very good.. the power is extremely aggressive when it comes on.. this combination is insane..
Last edited by tscompusa2; Jul 30, 2011 at 02:32 PM.
