Abacus

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This is my Evo 9SE that I purchased years ago to develop. It was pretty much stock except for an air filter and BC coilovers. Its been exciting to see the changes in performance over the years. From stock turbo, to being tuned and then adding the Red. It's been a fun year at 500whp with the FP Red BB MHI housing on my stock engine. I've done a few auto x events , drag runs, 1/2 mile runs, and a 450whp weekend at Sebring International Raceway. The car makes boost almost like the stock turbo and pulls well for daily driving. This year I also changed to the AEM Infinity and my brother Jay Meagher tuned it.

Life got much easier and the car ran much smoother on the dyno/street/track. No more fuel trims or AFR gauges to worry about while going 140mph at Sebring. The failsafe was setup and the ECU would limit power if there was an issue. Jay has tuned dozens of 400-1800hp 2JZ engines and knows AEM, Haltech, and MoTeC really well.

After adding the AEM, and later a COP with K-Series coils, a few intake manifolds (stock, ported,skunk 2 ) were tested in October and at 500whp the results were pretty close. The stock intake is pretty good until
7500ish with stock cams on my car. The Skunk 2 was the last intake tested with 65mm TB and was left on the car. The stock intake had better snap/response then the skunk for tip in/part throttle. At 500whp I think the stocker works well for a street car. I added a FP 25psi actuator last week (I had an 18psi Forge before.)

Thinking a 59lb a min turbo (non-HTZ FP Red with MHI housing) on the stock engine would be power limited, the fuel system was just a Walbro 450 with a Boost-A-Pump on stock wiring and a set of ID1300's. These were run for the entire year on E85. 500whp 28-29psi was about right for that combo with the stock regulator and rail.

We tested exhaust backpressure at 30psi and it was 38psi a few months back. This was with the smaller Tomei Version 1 downpipe and full Tomei exhaust.

I've had a built 2.2 ready to go in for 6 months and I like to do things in stages to see results. I knew the fuel system would need to be addressed for higher power so I went with a Radium Engineering fuel rail that uses the stock regulator. That kit was a true bolt on and fits well with the stock or Skunk2 manifold. Fuel pressure at 12 volts was 40 base and 69-73 out the top with the factory regulator when warm. Cold start it seems to be a few pounds higher but the ECUwill trim enough fuel it doesn't matter.


With the WannaGofast 1/2 mile coming up next month I was running out of time to get the new 2.2 engine in and get everything working well for big power. My birthday is also Dec 4th so I decided to make it one
to remember. I told Jay to not worry about the factory rods and just make big power. If it blew up I have another engine to drop in. I wanted to see just how hard you could run it with stock rods/head studs etc..

I didn't want to run out of fuel so I added 4 gallons of C16 to the approx 4 gal of E85 . On paper this changed things about 10% or so (fuel trim wise).

This is Oct 12th with the boost dialed in nicely on the bottom end. 18 psi Forge actuator/grimmspeed 3 port

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On Dec 2nd (85* and humid) we made a few pulls and it made 540whp/405wtq ramping the boost from 24-32psi. Left the boost soft down low and ramped it in higher.

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We also made 573whp/449wtq running 26-34ish psi

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It was making power really well and there was no knock. The Infinity with a COP system can see each cylinder and trim timing per cylinder and can also add/subtract fuel if needed. I decided that was enough
for that day.

I ran the car a few times that night and it was clean and pulled really well. I decided I wanted to shoot for a stock engine/cams/red record so we strapped it to the dyno once again on Dec 3rd around 11.
The engine responded well with more boost so we kept going . The conditions were great.

589whp/456wtq running 26-36ish .
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I hadn't seen a car make that power with my combo so I wanted just one more run.

615whp/477wtq ramping boost from 30-39psi was the final result.

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Everything looked good and it was turned back to 550whp/410wtq (ramping boost from 24-32psi) and I made a few street runs later that night.


The following night (my Bday) I went to the track and ran the car at full weight/spare tire etc..

I launched on 20lbs and had to let off to get the clutch to grab again. It went 11.2@131mph with a 1.9 60ft at around 35-38lbs crossing the line around 7200-7400. This was on 255/40/17 Continental Extreme DW with the 10% taller than stock 4.11 Ratio Final Drive and 6 puck ACT clutch. With a stock FD and a twin disk I'm sure it would be much faster.
Also keep in mind I lost 7mph at 350whp when I went from the stock 4.53FD to 4.11FD and Evo 8 gearing. My car weighs 3200ish and I'm 200lbs=3400ish . I found some other fast street cars with Reds , 200-250lb less they trapped a little higher then I did. With a Factory 4.53 Final drive.

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The car was setup for the street and road course so the tall gear and 6 puck aren't idealfor drag racing. I was happy to pick up over 30mph from the 1/8 mile for a bolt on turbo that spools pretty close to stock.Stock engine is out and installing the 2.2 this week. Once the clutch/engine is broken in It will be turned up once again. I'm looking forward to the new numbers.

The Evolution of my Evolution (added 4.11 , all runs are 3rd gear)

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All Graphs

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What I ran for about a year vs Cowboy mode

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Current Modification List (relating to this post):

93,000 Mile Stock Unopened Engine
Stock Camshafts
AMS Pan and HLA
Skunk2 Intake Manifold with 65mm TB
AEM Infinity tuned by Jay Meagher
COP with K-Series coils
V1 Tomei O2 housing and full exhaust
FP RED BB ( non HTZ) with MHI housing
HKS Kansai Service intake box with RSP 4" intake pipe
50/50 E85 and C16 mix
Walbro 450 (stock wiring with a boost a pump @14 volts)
Injector Dynamics ID1300 Injectors
Radium Engineering Fuel Rail with stock regulator
RSP built 4.11 Final Drive with Evo 8 gearing

Build Thread
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/pr...-2themoon.html
Edit, 12-24-15 New engine is running

LetsGetThisDone

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39psi out the top? That thing is pissed...lol. Solid numbers though.


Is your 2.2 a 4g63 with 94mm crank?


Also, what's break-in? 3/4 throttle and 3/4 rpm pulls with in-gear decal until it stops smoking then make powa...lol

Abacus

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Thanks man. I didn't think it would make that type of boost /power either.

Yes. I believe the 4g63 block has less head gasket issues then a tall deck 4g64 if you are going for big power. I also like the factory oil squirters.
This is a RSP spec 2.2 153MM Carrillo H beam with bolt upgrade,94MM billet Manley crank and 10:1 CP pistons/DLC coated Big pins with all the options(gas porting,round style,offset pin etc..). On paper the 94/153 gives a great rod/stroke ratio and a strong piston. I may end up with a 6870 one day so I only want to build it once.


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Its a street engine so break in will happen a little different. Its a fresh clutch so no dyno pulls for 500 miles.

LetsGetThisDone

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Nice, that's the same setup the ER 2.2SLR uses. A local guy here made 790whp with an FP HTA3586 (now called a Xona 78-64) at 37psi, full boost around 4700-4800 with that motor. Had more in it too, just needed stiffer wastegate springs. Car got parted out and sold before he turned it up though..


Break in is break in IMO. And the clutch will hold. Breaking in a clutch is when its ready to be launched/slipped. It'll still hold power when its brand new. I just want to see what it makes. Will likely be my deciding factor for a 2.2 or a 2.3.

Ralliart004

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I missed the registration for wannagofast I asked to be added to the wait list but that has not had any reply either.

Great work boss man

vmrevo9

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Abacus you need to store the stock motor in a time capsule or something lol cant wait to see the results once the 2.2 is in a ready to rock

6spdlegend

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Awesome post- lovely car you've got there. Why did you choose to run w/ stock cams for so long?

I have an aem infinity on my e46 m3 turbo- such an awesome ems- you're making it hard for me not to want one for the evo... Do you think the aem has contributed to the health and longevity of your stock motor at those power levels?

What TB were you running?

I have a parts list somewhat similar to yours- as I'm looking to safely max out the stock block on both pump and e85. Shooting for 475whp dynojet on pump and 550 on e85 at ~30 psi. I'll be running a ATP gtx3582r w/ gsc s2 + fullrace prostock exhaust mani + skunk2 intake mani + skunk2 tb. I will however, be running arp studs....

ZanarkO

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is that skunk2 intake manifold ported?

94AWDcoupe

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pretty neat stuff here. anxious to see what graph looks like on the 2.2. are you switching cams?

Abacus

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Thanks man. After adding the Red and riding the 400ft lb stock rod rule I was at a comfortable limit. I also have a tall gear (more load) and go to the road course so I didn't need to make anymore power with cams. The car basically drives like stock and my Girlfriend is able to drive it like a normal car with the light 6 puck clutch. It pulls 18-23mpg city/hwy on E85 so I really can't complain. It still made over 600whp so the stock cams exceeded my expectations.

Then new engine has GSC S2 cams and I will be able to get good back to back data from a stock engine to a built one.

The Infinity is a great ECU but the tuner of any ECU is really important. Jay Meagher has tuned the car since I've owned it and I've made a few small changes with his guidance. The car has been run on the dyno and boost/timing has been looked at carefully and not just to make big numbers. Sometimes less is more. I've run that engine really hard on track days and half mile (8700rpm) and its been solid.
A knowledgeable tuner is critical when it comes to making power safely. There has to be a margin of error for heat, fuel and whatever else may happen while running the car WOT. I attribute the car running so well to the tune and running good fuel during hard events. Running something hard on pump gas isn't for me. When the cylinder is making 150-200hp a hole its better to have more octane then not enough.

TB is a ported stock one.

Sounds like that car will run great man. My car hasn't been rattled hard so the stock headgasket and stock head studs have worked great for me. Detonation kills everything. The new engine has ARP hardware and will be run much harder.

Zanarko- stock skunk manifold.

94AWD- Thanks,I'm pretty excited to see the 2.2 results myself. Going to run it as close (boost, timing may be different with the stroker) to the other runs as possible before turning it up. The 2.2 will be getting Billet GSC S2's and an adjustable exhaust cam gear. The head has been pocket ported by Headgames and has full GSC components.

Erik@MIL.SPEC

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Our set-ups are going to be VERY similar.

You:
2.2
S2 cams
Ported Skunk IM w/65mm TB
HeadGames head
FP HTA Red w/MHI

Me:
2.3
R2 cams
CBRE Ported OEM IM w/ MIL.SPEC 65mm TB
PortFLow head to MIL.SPEC specs
FP HTZ Red w/MHI


The differences between the cars/dynos has me really curious. What the similarities will be and what the differences will be

Abacus

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Challenge you to an FP red hp shootout? Lol. Maybe peak and avg numbers?

The VE should be better on the 2.2 but it will be interesting to see. What Ecu will you be using and do you have access to a Dynojet?

Erik@MIL.SPEC

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I don't want to get into a pee-pee match lol

Just curious as to how the cars will respond. I can get on a Dynojet, but it will probably be tuned on a Dyno Dynamics. There will definitely be a virtual dyno log...maybe that can be our apples and apples comparison

Why would the VE be better on the 2.2? Just a better match for the turbo?

I have an Evo 8, but converted to MIVEC for the spool-up bonus and slightly better ECU resolution. So, a less sophisticated ECU than yours

Grimgrak

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I wanted to see a 9 sec evo 9 on fp red on a 2L but this is close enuff.

Abacus

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Kidding on the HP challenge. I think we both are building fun street cars. My car will never be competitive with the 4.11 gear or 6 puck clutch at drag racing. I'm just building an all around fun car for me.

Interested to see the results man!

Yes Sir.