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Old Jun 9, 2017, 09:54 AM
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can you run gsc s3 with stock valve springs
Old Jun 9, 2017, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Highbooost
can you run gsc s3 with stock valve springs
You can but you shouldn't. Buy Springs and retainers.
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can you run gsc s3 with stock valve springs
No, they require an upgraded spring due to the added lift of the cam lobe
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Originally Posted by asuarez
You can but you shouldn't. Buy Springs and retainers.
You most definitely cannot run them with stock valve springs. Anyone who does is dumb and is cutting serious corners and playing with fire so to speak. The S3's have too much lift for the stock valve spring. GSC S2's can be ran on stock valve springs if the car is kept within the stock rev range. And the stock retainers are fine for any cam you put in the car. Definitely do not NEED retainers. A good set of beehive valve springs will be just fine.
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Originally Posted by asuarez
You can but you shouldn't. Buy Springs and retainers.

Absolutely can not. Springs and retainers are required for S3's.

Originally Posted by e_kobz
No, they require an upgraded spring due to the added lift of the cam lobe

Per GSC, the stock retainer is only good to 11.2mm of lift before it starts hitting the valve seal.


https://www.power-division.com/gsc-p...r-evo-8-9.html
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Hmmmm I haven't seen that. My buddy with a stock block IX making over 600whp is using S3's with the stock retainers and he hasn't had any issues
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Originally Posted by e_kobz
My buddy with a stock block IX making over 600whp is using S3's with the stock retainers and he hasn't had any issues
He is playing with fire so to speak
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Absolutely not! S1 is the only one you should run with stock springs and by should I mean its possible but you shouldnt.
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Absolutely can not. Springs and retainers are required for S3's.




Per GSC, the stock retainer is only good to 11.2mm of lift before it starts hitting the valve seal.


https://www.power-division.com/gsc-p...r-evo-8-9.html

One other take away from that link is that they only reccomend a peak rev of 8200rpm and a peak boost of 25psi

I wonder if that is due to factory retainers? Or the springs themselves.....
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Originally Posted by e_kobz
Hmmmm I haven't seen that. My buddy with a stock block IX making over 600whp is using S3's with the stock retainers and he hasn't had any issues
My buddy was doing the same thing ... 1 day his luck ran out.
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Originally Posted by mines5
My buddy was doing the same thing ... 1 day his luck ran out.
I'll give him a heads up then
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Originally Posted by dookgvr4
One other take away from that link is that they only reccomend a peak rev of 8200rpm and a peak boost of 25psi

I wonder if that is due to factory retainers? Or the springs themselves.....

The factory aluminum retainer is lighter weight than a Ti retainer. So the spring is what is limiting RPM and boost with a certain camshaft profile.
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Seen s3 run and not break with out spring

i wouldnt do it but its possible
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I would invest in a set of Kiggly beehive or GSC HP springs and retainers. The last thing you want is to cheap out and have a spring crack, drop a valve and wreak havoc in there.
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