Tscomptuned
Sep 21, 2018, 10:39 AM
#31
Newbie
Thread Starter
Since FiTronic is only Flex Fuel ROM for Evo 8/9, obviously some tuners using altarnative hardware and lower prices with it..are cutting a corner:
That corner is compensating FiTronic for the ROM. They simply use it without agreement and compensation for the license.
English Racing uses FiTronic ROM with alternative hardware, and compensates FiTronic for use of FF ROM.
English Racing is reputable company who values its own reputation and moral standards, not willing to compromise itself for $50 or $100 per installation.
Bare that in mind when choosing your FF tuner and hardware:
Although $1000 may seem expensive to some of you to gain Flex Fuel capability.
Imagine Evo without the FiTronic ROM:
That corner is compensating FiTronic for the ROM. They simply use it without agreement and compensation for the license.
English Racing uses FiTronic ROM with alternative hardware, and compensates FiTronic for use of FF ROM.
English Racing is reputable company who values its own reputation and moral standards, not willing to compromise itself for $50 or $100 per installation.
Bare that in mind when choosing your FF tuner and hardware:
- because the person who reasons its OK to "cut a corner" with supplier, and use the ROM for free, may also think there are other corners to cut that will earn them more money for less work or investment.
- They are tuning your engine ECU: a short cut can easily result in $7,000-10,000 damage to the engine, and maybe a really bad day at the track, or somewhere on a trip?
Although $1000 may seem expensive to some of you to gain Flex Fuel capability.
Imagine Evo without the FiTronic ROM:
- You want to do Flex Fuel? You have to get Stand Alone, without available FiTronic FF.
- Most stand alones for Evo were wired in, until recently: a lot of additional work.
- Even if plug-in, it will be far more then $1000 for hardware alone,plus tuning.
- Now the FiTronic FF seems really a nice option, because you can get FF for $1,000 tuned, not hack up your OEM harness, pass smog in California and other states that require it with stock ECU, and at the time of resale, you can keep FiTronic or sell it separately..its plug-n-play.
This x1000. I will just have to wait till Tom gets back with me.
Sep 21, 2018, 12:40 PM
#32
I don't know who has which licensing or permissions, that's not my business. That's for the tuners and owners of rights to discuss. If there is some "magic" that FiTronic does that can't be done with an AEM signal, I'm more than willing to listen.
But seeing how this is all super secret info (which is weird for this community, but is what it is), I don't imagine anyone would be forthcoming with actual information (as opposed to a sales pitch) one way or the other. Seeing how my use for flex fuel may be different than others (getting home from the race track, etc. Never racing with mixed fuel), I'll most likely stick with my original plan. Though, I could save my pennies and probably have $1,000 by the time I heard back from TSC.
Kidding, but you know.
Sep 21, 2018, 01:46 PM
#33
EvoM Guru
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Since FiTronic is only Flex Fuel ROM for Evo 8/9, obviously some tuners using altarnative hardware and lower prices with it..are cutting a corner:
That corner is compensating FiTronic for the ROM. They simply use it without agreement and compensation for the license.
English Racing uses FiTronic ROM with alternative hardware, and compensates FiTronic for use of FF ROM.
English Racing is reputable company who values its own reputation and moral standards, not willing to compromise itself for $50 or $100 per installation.
Bare that in mind when choosing your FF tuner and hardware:
Although $1000 may seem expensive to some of you to gain Flex Fuel capability.
Imagine Evo without the FiTronic ROM:
That corner is compensating FiTronic for the ROM. They simply use it without agreement and compensation for the license.
English Racing uses FiTronic ROM with alternative hardware, and compensates FiTronic for use of FF ROM.
English Racing is reputable company who values its own reputation and moral standards, not willing to compromise itself for $50 or $100 per installation.
Bare that in mind when choosing your FF tuner and hardware:
- because the person who reasons its OK to "cut a corner" with supplier, and use the ROM for free, may also think there are other corners to cut that will earn them more money for less work or investment.
- They are tuning your engine ECU: a short cut can easily result in $7,000-10,000 damage to the engine, and maybe a really bad day at the track, or somewhere on a trip?
Although $1000 may seem expensive to some of you to gain Flex Fuel capability.
Imagine Evo without the FiTronic ROM:
- You want to do Flex Fuel? You have to get Stand Alone, without available FiTronic FF.
- Most stand alones for Evo were wired in, until recently: a lot of additional work.
- Even if plug-in, it will be far more then $1000 for hardware alone,plus tuning.
- Now the FiTronic FF seems really a nice option, because you can get FF for $1,000 tuned, not hack up your OEM harness, pass smog in California and other states that require it with stock ECU, and at the time of resale, you can keep FiTronic or sell it separately..its plug-n-play.
ER has had good success implanting the Fitronic ROM with the Zeitronix ECA on my car, and one of my client's cars. It's a little more work because the Zeitronix outputs 0-5v and the ROM is scaled for .5-4.5v but it's not a huge deal. You can also use an innovate ECA, which outputs.5-4.5v.
OP, if you want flex fuel, and you want to work with a shop/tuner you can actually get a hold and that will produce a solid and reliable tune, I highly suggest English Racing.
Last edited by letsgetthisdone; Sep 24, 2018 at 03:02 PM. Reason: Had the voltages backwards.
Sep 21, 2018, 01:59 PM
#34
Newbie
Thread Starter
I reached out to English, from what the person I talked to said, they do not have the ability to do a true FF setup on the stock ECU. I would much prefer English as they are not terribly far from me and are very responsive.
I'll call them again, ty
I'll call them again, ty
Sep 21, 2018, 02:31 PM
#35
LOL I was reading these posts in class and an used to "FF" meaning "forward facing". Now that I reread, I gotcha LOL.
anyway, a couple tuners have ROM definitions for flex fuel using other sensors. Going through TSComp/fitronic is another ,though far more expensive option. He quoted me $1000 for the time and fitronic setup.
I've been dual map ever since.
😂
anyway, a couple tuners have ROM definitions for flex fuel using other sensors. Going through TSComp/fitronic is another ,though far more expensive option. He quoted me $1000 for the time and fitronic setup.
I've been dual map ever since.
😂
Sep 21, 2018, 04:00 PM
#37
Off topic, I'm planning to get my car built by him by next year, how's the work? Any issues with your build since u got ur car back?
You can pm as to not derail the thread.
You can pm as to not derail the thread.
Sep 24, 2018, 09:29 AM
#40
Evolved Member
The Fitronic "kit" is nothing special. It's mostly the ROM that is important. Otherwise it's just an ECA wire into the same pin on the ECU that you would wire an old school (tephra V5) map switch into.
ER has had good success implanting the Fitronic ROM with the Zeitronix ECA on my car, and one of my client's cars. It's a little more work because the Zeitronix outputs .5-4.5v and the ROM is scaled for 0-5v but it's not a huge deal. You can also use an innovate ECA, which outputs 0-5v.
OP, if you want flex fuel, and you want to work with a shop/tuner you can actually get a hold and that will produce a solid and reliable tune, I highly suggest English Racing.
ER has had good success implanting the Fitronic ROM with the Zeitronix ECA on my car, and one of my client's cars. It's a little more work because the Zeitronix outputs .5-4.5v and the ROM is scaled for 0-5v but it's not a huge deal. You can also use an innovate ECA, which outputs 0-5v.
OP, if you want flex fuel, and you want to work with a shop/tuner you can actually get a hold and that will produce a solid and reliable tune, I highly suggest English Racing.
Sep 25, 2018, 12:13 AM
#42
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (1)
Originally Posted by Dakota Evo
Tom is pissed
From his instagram
From his instagram
ER is not "fraudulently" using FiTronic ROM's.
Funny he has time to post stuff like that on IG and FB, but can't return emails from potential clients..
Sep 25, 2018, 02:47 AM
#43
Evolving Member
ER has had good success implanting the Fitronic ROM with the Zeitronix ECA on my car, and one of my client's cars. It's a little more work because the Zeitronix outputs 0-5v and the ROM is scaled for .5-4.5v but it's not a huge deal. You can also use an innovate ECA, which outputs.5-4.5v.
Sep 25, 2018, 06:47 AM
#45
Evolving Member