Blow Transfer Case! Kinda Cool.
Originally Posted by HorinayHotiness
I seriously hope that Mitsu deny's your Warrantee claim. One of the reasons that it is important for them to weed out cases of abuse is so they can continue to offer the car at a low price point. If they have to cover repair costs for every idiot who abuses thier car that way, you can bet the price of the car will increase dramatically. Think about it, Mitsu is not making tons of money on EVO's. Sure they make a small profit, but it's probably just enough to make it worth thier while to manufacture the car. Once you start eating into that profit, they won't be able to manufacture the car at the same price point. If this happens they may decide to pull the plug on building Evo's for the US altogether.
I have to say I'm really surprised by these replies
I have to say I'm really surprised that Mitsubishi would Market and sell a race car yet void any warranty for any hint of a racetrack? People with an aftermarket shift knob get their warranty voided, i guess it's just a matter of "kill or be killed"
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I am surpirsed about all of these replies saying you should not get warranty coverage because of xxxx..
However I agree on a few of the issues:
Yes if the car is modified you are SOL I have no sympathy.
If you were racing in an organized racing event then no sympathy.
But if you were doing a 5K RPM clutch drop somewhere just because you can do it with the car then it should be covered by warranty. If the car can't handle it then it should either not come with a warranty or should be engineered differently. For example, if I do a 5K clutch drop once a week just because i'm coming home from work Friday evening, and anything other than the clutch or tires go out I would expect Mitsu to fix it. Or they should have set the RPM limiter a little bit lower if the drivetrain can't handle it.
However I agree on a few of the issues:
Yes if the car is modified you are SOL I have no sympathy.
If you were racing in an organized racing event then no sympathy.
But if you were doing a 5K RPM clutch drop somewhere just because you can do it with the car then it should be covered by warranty. If the car can't handle it then it should either not come with a warranty or should be engineered differently. For example, if I do a 5K clutch drop once a week just because i'm coming home from work Friday evening, and anything other than the clutch or tires go out I would expect Mitsu to fix it. Or they should have set the RPM limiter a little bit lower if the drivetrain can't handle it.
so, you're saying if you beat the hell out of your car unsafe in the street, you have sympathy, but if you beat the hell out of your car an organized event, where vehicle and driver safety is enforced, you have no symphathy?
what's the difference? You could always break your car when you're driving, period.
What's the difference when you're at a drag strip doing a 5000 rpm drop, then you finish and cool your car down compare to when you're at a stop light and you do a 5000 rpm drop and you keep on driving over and over again?
You're actually abusing your car more on the street racing and endangering other drivers (not to mention it's illegal), then doing at a drag strip.
anyway, all you people who says something about him not getting a warranty because blah blah blah, you all need to get the hell out of this board.
This board is here to talk about modification on the car, warranty issues, track events, and car problems.
Not criticize people for having problems. I hope all you who said that don't come back to this board with your problems. And when you do, i hope someone says the same shlt to you and see how you feel.
what's the difference? You could always break your car when you're driving, period.
What's the difference when you're at a drag strip doing a 5000 rpm drop, then you finish and cool your car down compare to when you're at a stop light and you do a 5000 rpm drop and you keep on driving over and over again?
You're actually abusing your car more on the street racing and endangering other drivers (not to mention it's illegal), then doing at a drag strip.
anyway, all you people who says something about him not getting a warranty because blah blah blah, you all need to get the hell out of this board.
This board is here to talk about modification on the car, warranty issues, track events, and car problems.
Not criticize people for having problems. I hope all you who said that don't come back to this board with your problems. And when you do, i hope someone says the same shlt to you and see how you feel.
Originally Posted by Impulsoren
I am surpirsed about all of these replies saying you should not get warranty coverage because of xxxx..
However I agree on a few of the issues:
Yes if the car is modified you are SOL I have no sympathy.
If you were racing in an organized racing event then no sympathy.
But if you were doing a 5K RPM clutch drop somewhere just because you can do it with the car then it should be covered by warranty. If the car can't handle it then it should either not come with a warranty or should be engineered differently. For example, if I do a 5K clutch drop once a week just because i'm coming home from work Friday evening, and anything other than the clutch or tires go out I would expect Mitsu to fix it. Or they should have set the RPM limiter a little bit lower if the drivetrain can't handle it.
However I agree on a few of the issues:
Yes if the car is modified you are SOL I have no sympathy.
If you were racing in an organized racing event then no sympathy.
But if you were doing a 5K RPM clutch drop somewhere just because you can do it with the car then it should be covered by warranty. If the car can't handle it then it should either not come with a warranty or should be engineered differently. For example, if I do a 5K clutch drop once a week just because i'm coming home from work Friday evening, and anything other than the clutch or tires go out I would expect Mitsu to fix it. Or they should have set the RPM limiter a little bit lower if the drivetrain can't handle it.
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I think the point here is not harassing anyone about modding, racing or breaking their cars. The point here for me is warranty claims and how it affects us all. When people commit insurance fraud, insurance rates go up for us ALL. Fraudulent warranty claims affect us all. Go ahead and mod your car, race your car and even beat the crap out of YOUR car but don't expect me to support you in any effort to "return your car to stock" to attempt a fruadulent warranty claim. You mod, you race, you break then YOU take the financial hit, not me. If it is a valid warranty claim then I hope the warranty is honored. If it is related to your car modding and your choice to race then it should be denied.
Anyone that thinks just because a car has a warranty or is marketed as a performance car you should be able to do ANYTHING to that car and still be warranted is dreaming. Read your warranty. Stack up some 5K RPM clutch dumps on any car and see what happens to your car and your warranty.
Anyone that thinks just because a car has a warranty or is marketed as a performance car you should be able to do ANYTHING to that car and still be warranted is dreaming. Read your warranty. Stack up some 5K RPM clutch dumps on any car and see what happens to your car and your warranty.
what the hell?
if someone has an warranty issue, and for example, our fallen transfer case here, if he doesn't get his warranty, that gives mitsubishi a case file in which they decide that any similar circumstance will not be covered by warranty. Or maybe they'll just decide not to warranty any transfer case because of this one case.
Or maybe the corporation decides that if the lawsuit is cheaper than lawsuit resulting from failed transfer case or warranty denied lawsuit, they wont warranty our transfer case at all.
However, if he does get covered, that just means, the Evo owners have a case file that could be used for getting our similar problems fixed.
It actually makes it easier for us, if he gets a warranty on the transfer case.
people return their car to stock, because dealers don't understand the concept that Your Exhuast can't break your transfer case! It's not a direct effect! And no dealer gives a damn about the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act as we all found out.
If I had an SAFC and dealer voids warranty on my seats, is that fair? That's not claiming frauadulent warranty claim, that's just playing the game that mitsubishi plays. Not only mitsubishi, but all manufacturers. That's what your warranty that comes with the car says. read it, if you haven't before telling others to read it first.
How are we taking a warranty hit? For years and years, the manufacturer takes in account of how much it'll cost them to fix on warranty vs how much it'll cost them to make a good part.
You think we have a transfer case problems because they don't know how to make one that works? The transfer case and transmission on mitsubishi was never ever good, even from the 1st generation DSM's. They recycle the similar design with weaker parts, because it's cheaper for them to manufacture them and pay for the warranty. Because they figured, dealers could deny most of the warranty case due to "abuse" or something else.
Please explain it to me, how WE take a financial hit for his Transfer case warranty?
We pay more for the car, if the demand of the car is there, whether or not if he gets a warranty or not. Mitsubishi isn't going bankrupt because they have too many "fraudulant warranty claims", they're going bankrupt, because they don't sell enough cars, and they had problems with the dealership and their financial department approving every dim witted financially troubled people for their credit loan problem.
When those people don't pay the for the loan and the car gets reclaimed, mitsubishi looses money on interest and penalty fees.
They have the warranty for unfortunate events that happens, like this. If he was redlining his engine for an hour, that's an abuse. If he was lauching off of the raised rev limited, over and over again in a short time period, that's an abuse.
If he launches below redline, the car should take that sorta abuse. How do you think they determined the redline for the car? If it wasn't for safety and considering these facts from R & D, we would have 9000 rpm redline. If not, what the hell are we buying? a marketing ploit?
Evolution isn't "marketed" as a sports car. It is a sports car! If you haven't figure that out yet, you need to get another car.
It's the people like you who makes all the other owners have hard time getting their warranty. If all evolution owners get 1 warranty each on transfer case, it still wont equal all the warranty that they regularly get from lancer or their SUV's in cost. And do you think it's the parts that costs a lot? no, it's the dealers who charge $100 an hour for warranty claim that profits from the warranty. Most good dealers know about that. it's the dim witted service people that doesn't know this. Or small dealerships that's trying to get points from mitsubishi for least warranty claim so they could get more cars in the lots.
How do you think dealerships get points and first priority on vehicles and how many they get? Service points, how many cars they sold, how many service claims they've warrantied. Big dealers don't do that because they already know they're good in the manufacturers eyes.
It's not as if he's got 600whp and he was dropping his clutch. The transmission, transfer case and the engine on a car like this, like every other manufacturers who makes sub level super cars, could take more than what they're restricted from emissions regulations and what they put out from the factory. They always put safety barrier when they manufacture cars for catastrophic failure resulting in law suit.
what's cheaper? R & D and manufacturing costs or cheaper transfer case that worked ok for 10 years that could be easily replaced under warranty?
like I said before, if it's a financial issue or you getting a hit for someone elses warranty, then you shouldn't get a warranty either.
I am pro Warranty for Evolution owners. Mitsubishi already calculated that we'll have warranty issues. It's a chump change for mitsubishi on our warranty and if we have problems with it, we should get what we paid for, that's already included in the price of our vehicle.
if someone has an warranty issue, and for example, our fallen transfer case here, if he doesn't get his warranty, that gives mitsubishi a case file in which they decide that any similar circumstance will not be covered by warranty. Or maybe they'll just decide not to warranty any transfer case because of this one case.
Or maybe the corporation decides that if the lawsuit is cheaper than lawsuit resulting from failed transfer case or warranty denied lawsuit, they wont warranty our transfer case at all.
However, if he does get covered, that just means, the Evo owners have a case file that could be used for getting our similar problems fixed.
It actually makes it easier for us, if he gets a warranty on the transfer case.
people return their car to stock, because dealers don't understand the concept that Your Exhuast can't break your transfer case! It's not a direct effect! And no dealer gives a damn about the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act as we all found out.
If I had an SAFC and dealer voids warranty on my seats, is that fair? That's not claiming frauadulent warranty claim, that's just playing the game that mitsubishi plays. Not only mitsubishi, but all manufacturers. That's what your warranty that comes with the car says. read it, if you haven't before telling others to read it first.
How are we taking a warranty hit? For years and years, the manufacturer takes in account of how much it'll cost them to fix on warranty vs how much it'll cost them to make a good part.
You think we have a transfer case problems because they don't know how to make one that works? The transfer case and transmission on mitsubishi was never ever good, even from the 1st generation DSM's. They recycle the similar design with weaker parts, because it's cheaper for them to manufacture them and pay for the warranty. Because they figured, dealers could deny most of the warranty case due to "abuse" or something else.
Please explain it to me, how WE take a financial hit for his Transfer case warranty?
We pay more for the car, if the demand of the car is there, whether or not if he gets a warranty or not. Mitsubishi isn't going bankrupt because they have too many "fraudulant warranty claims", they're going bankrupt, because they don't sell enough cars, and they had problems with the dealership and their financial department approving every dim witted financially troubled people for their credit loan problem.
When those people don't pay the for the loan and the car gets reclaimed, mitsubishi looses money on interest and penalty fees.
They have the warranty for unfortunate events that happens, like this. If he was redlining his engine for an hour, that's an abuse. If he was lauching off of the raised rev limited, over and over again in a short time period, that's an abuse.
If he launches below redline, the car should take that sorta abuse. How do you think they determined the redline for the car? If it wasn't for safety and considering these facts from R & D, we would have 9000 rpm redline. If not, what the hell are we buying? a marketing ploit?
Evolution isn't "marketed" as a sports car. It is a sports car! If you haven't figure that out yet, you need to get another car.
It's the people like you who makes all the other owners have hard time getting their warranty. If all evolution owners get 1 warranty each on transfer case, it still wont equal all the warranty that they regularly get from lancer or their SUV's in cost. And do you think it's the parts that costs a lot? no, it's the dealers who charge $100 an hour for warranty claim that profits from the warranty. Most good dealers know about that. it's the dim witted service people that doesn't know this. Or small dealerships that's trying to get points from mitsubishi for least warranty claim so they could get more cars in the lots.
How do you think dealerships get points and first priority on vehicles and how many they get? Service points, how many cars they sold, how many service claims they've warrantied. Big dealers don't do that because they already know they're good in the manufacturers eyes.
It's not as if he's got 600whp and he was dropping his clutch. The transmission, transfer case and the engine on a car like this, like every other manufacturers who makes sub level super cars, could take more than what they're restricted from emissions regulations and what they put out from the factory. They always put safety barrier when they manufacture cars for catastrophic failure resulting in law suit.
what's cheaper? R & D and manufacturing costs or cheaper transfer case that worked ok for 10 years that could be easily replaced under warranty?
like I said before, if it's a financial issue or you getting a hit for someone elses warranty, then you shouldn't get a warranty either.
I am pro Warranty for Evolution owners. Mitsubishi already calculated that we'll have warranty issues. It's a chump change for mitsubishi on our warranty and if we have problems with it, we should get what we paid for, that's already included in the price of our vehicle.
Originally Posted by beebers
I think the point here is not harassing anyone about modding, racing or breaking their cars. The point here for me is warranty claims and how it affects us all. When people commit insurance fraud, insurance rates go up for us ALL. Fraudulent warranty claims affect us all. Go ahead and mod your car, race your car and even beat the crap out of YOUR car but don't expect me to support you in any effort to "return your car to stock" to attempt a fruadulent warranty claim. You mod, you race, you break then YOU take the financial hit, not me. If it is a valid warranty claim then I hope the warranty is honored. If it is related to your car modding and your choice to race then it should be denied.
Anyone that thinks just because a car has a warranty or is marketed as a performance car you should be able to do ANYTHING to that car and still be warranted is dreaming. Read your warranty. Stack up some 5K RPM clutch dumps on any car and see what happens to your car and your warranty.
Anyone that thinks just because a car has a warranty or is marketed as a performance car you should be able to do ANYTHING to that car and still be warranted is dreaming. Read your warranty. Stack up some 5K RPM clutch dumps on any car and see what happens to your car and your warranty.
Last edited by plokivos; May 5, 2005 at 08:10 AM.
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The whole warranty versus mods issue has been debated to death on here. Your car is your car. Do to it whatever you want, just do it knowing it puts your warranty at risk. You may get a dealership that is "cool" or that follows maggnussen-moss, you may not. That's the risk you take. Re-read the original post, including the 11-seconds by May tag line. If you really think this is not putting his warranty at risk in a major way then I must be the only one that read mine. And if you truly think that I should be able to modify my car any way I want, drive it any way I want, then return it back to "stock" (to hide that history from Mitus) and say I have no idea how the damage was caused and Mitsu should pay then so be it. It's your car and your wallet. Either way it's bad for us all. You cry wolf too often with fraudulent claims then legitimate claims are put at risk.
If you truley think that what he's doing is legit, legal or good for any Evo owner then we will obviously never agree.
If you truley think that what he's doing is legit, legal or good for any Evo owner then we will obviously never agree.
how is it "bad for us all" ?
how is it illegal?
you start saying crap like that but you wont explain why you're saying that.
yeh, warranty and mods issues been debated here to death, and it's always the owners that gets screwed and dealer loving freaks like you who say crap like this without considering all the aspect of what's going on or what's been happening.
Mitsubishi actually trys to take care of evo owners now. If every other owners who owns EVo is complaining that they're having a problem with their transfer case, there must be something wrong with the transfer case, right?
That's not being fraudulant, it's a defect.
by the way, stock evos have this problem too. it's not just modded ones that goes "11 seconds".
how is it illegal?
you start saying crap like that but you wont explain why you're saying that.
yeh, warranty and mods issues been debated here to death, and it's always the owners that gets screwed and dealer loving freaks like you who say crap like this without considering all the aspect of what's going on or what's been happening.
Mitsubishi actually trys to take care of evo owners now. If every other owners who owns EVo is complaining that they're having a problem with their transfer case, there must be something wrong with the transfer case, right?
That's not being fraudulant, it's a defect.
by the way, stock evos have this problem too. it's not just modded ones that goes "11 seconds".
To check the front differential for damage in the EVOs with an "open front diff",
Jack the front car up enough to get the front tires off the ground.
Put transmission into any gear.
Now grab the left front tire and rotate it.
The passenger tire should spin in the opposite direction of the tire you are rotating.
There should be no binding, knocking or funky movement. If there is then the gears in the front differential are broken.
This sort of spider gear failure can and eventually will happen if you like doing doughnuts in parking lots, dumping the clutch too aggresively (especially with one of those famous racing clutches that have a million ft.lbs of torque holding capacity even though you aren't making anywhere near that kind of torque) or if you run into wheel hop.
In any case DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR, you will only contaminate the transmission with metal and it too will start having problems.
The EVO drivetrain is actually pretty strong but you still have to be somewhat gentle on the launch if you want to keep breakage to a minimum.
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http://www.teamrip.com/Evolution.html
Jack the front car up enough to get the front tires off the ground.
Put transmission into any gear.
Now grab the left front tire and rotate it.
The passenger tire should spin in the opposite direction of the tire you are rotating.
There should be no binding, knocking or funky movement. If there is then the gears in the front differential are broken.
This sort of spider gear failure can and eventually will happen if you like doing doughnuts in parking lots, dumping the clutch too aggresively (especially with one of those famous racing clutches that have a million ft.lbs of torque holding capacity even though you aren't making anywhere near that kind of torque) or if you run into wheel hop.
In any case DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR, you will only contaminate the transmission with metal and it too will start having problems.
The EVO drivetrain is actually pretty strong but you still have to be somewhat gentle on the launch if you want to keep breakage to a minimum.
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http://www.teamrip.com/Evolution.html
There were some very interesting points brought up here.
For me, one of the major selling points was that ad that Mitsubishi put out that claimed 0-60 in 5.1 (IIRC) seconds.
Only after I bought my Evo, did I learn about AWD and how risky it would be to try and launch the car to get that 0-60 time.
After weighing the risks, I decided that I would never launch the car but, I did feel as if I had been cheated/deceived.
Not only that, since you can't exceed 5000 RPMs during break in, I was also under the impression that the power would increase or stay consistent to redline.
That was another area that I felt deceived in when I was finally able to rev past 5000 RPMs. I was basically forced to get upgraded cams to get the performance I was expecting.
So, my initial reaction to the post was to be angry that someone would try and put in a warranty claim for obvious abuse but, after thinking about it, weren't alot of us deceived by Mitsubishi in the first place?
Just ranting.
For me, one of the major selling points was that ad that Mitsubishi put out that claimed 0-60 in 5.1 (IIRC) seconds.
Only after I bought my Evo, did I learn about AWD and how risky it would be to try and launch the car to get that 0-60 time.
After weighing the risks, I decided that I would never launch the car but, I did feel as if I had been cheated/deceived.
Not only that, since you can't exceed 5000 RPMs during break in, I was also under the impression that the power would increase or stay consistent to redline.
That was another area that I felt deceived in when I was finally able to rev past 5000 RPMs. I was basically forced to get upgraded cams to get the performance I was expecting.
So, my initial reaction to the post was to be angry that someone would try and put in a warranty claim for obvious abuse but, after thinking about it, weren't alot of us deceived by Mitsubishi in the first place?
Just ranting.
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so, you're saying if you beat the hell out of your car unsafe in the street, you have sympathy, but if you beat the hell out of your car an organized event, where vehicle and driver safety is enforced, you have no symphathy?