Az3er just likes to talk out his ***, so defensive all the time. Anyone that knows something that he does not; he tries to belittle them and bring them down to his level.

And btw, I do not think that idles are bad with any cam combo. It all depends on how you have them setup. I have 272i/264e HKS cams. Does it have a lumpy idle? Yes, but just a little. Does it bother me? No, I think it sounds good. Do I have any problems because of my cams? No.

Back on topic, I would get cams first, its power that you can use all the time after tuning. With (insert chemical here) injection you have to make sure the tank is full all the time. If not you’ll have to switch back over to your pump gas map if you have the ability. If you do not have the ability to switch maps while on meth/alky, you better be careful or you run the risk of blowing your engine.

Start with cams. You can see upwards of 30-40+whp with cams and a good custom tune with supporting mods.

 

I agree that it's best to start with cams. Even if the potential benefits were equal, cams deliver full-time power, which IMO, outweighs part time power that is dependent upon the introduction of an outside substance (tuning necessities notwithstanding). Furthermore, the limitations of the factory cams will put a ceiling on whatever one does.

 

cams

 

First off, it's proof, not prove, so if you want people to start taking what you say seriously you might want to try to sound educated... with that out of the way,

Cam timing can make almost any cam combo pass, just as Ted explained. Don't try to negate his cam knowledge with his past performance with meth/water injection. That's like saying Earnhardt is a bad racer b/c he can't drag race, he'll still hand you your a$$ on an oval track.

Oh, and I'm willing to bet the addition of MIVEC to the Evo IX wasn't for power, but was for emissions. Allowing the computer to control cam timing can significantly improve vehicle emissions.

- Steve

 

Agreed i think the lower lobe on the MIVEC is strickly for emissions but they had to throw the higher lobe on there to still give you the power. You can not make any power off a car that has a low lobe profile its just simple physics.

But on the other hand Az3er does have a point. For the most part people just throw cams in there car with cam gears and adjust them to a common setting which is more to help with there power band then for emissions.

The interesting thing was that Ted did some test and was able to get the best of both worlds which is why i said he came out with some amazing results IMO

Chris

 

I'm not denying that most cam settings that are optimized for power will be horrible on emissions. But to say that cams can't pass with proper cam timing is just wrong.

And FYI, the MIVEC that is in the Evo IX does not vary lift, there is only one set of intake lobes. What it varies is cam timing in the exact way an adjustable cam gear does, just that it can do it on the fly.

- Steve

 

Damn i knew that i dont know what i was thinking. Anyway thanks for the info.

Chris

 

NP, just don't want anyone running around thinking the IX will have variable lift... that'd require a complete cylinder head redesign.

- Steve

 

Holy crap,,, I go for 10 min to fix the server and look what happened...

The guy said CAMS or ALKY kit he did not say CAMS and CAM gears or Alky kit. Most EVO owners out there don’t buy cam gears. Cams only will fail emissions with cam gears set for power purpose will fail... you will have to buy cam gears and play with them to make it pass and that’s not for sure yet.

 

Sorry Mr English. What kind of education do you carry just out of curiosity?

 

BS in Mechanical Engineering and an MS in Systems Engineering

 

WHAT? Did you just say "Most EVO owners out there don’t buy cam gears."?? That’s the most BS I’ve seen all day on these forums. I'm pretty sure that 95% of EVO owners that buy cams buy cam gears at the same time. It’s almost stupid not too. If not, then you are really missing an opportunity to dial in your numbers.

 

Lets take a poll?

 

Here it is.. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...87#post1954487

 

Lets see... BR and Dynoflsh dont recommend cam gears I believe they both have more customers that your Shiv Vishnu.

I am not saying that cam gears are not the way to go but many dont buy them.