Notices
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain Everything from engine management to the best clutch and flywheel.

Support for cams Cams

Old Dec 16, 2005 | 03:27 PM
  #1  
Dead-Man Inc's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 870
Likes: 0
From: Bahrain
Support for cams

my next step is gonna be HKS Cams 272 with Cam Gears ...
i wanna know what do i need for mods to support the Cams for it not harming the Engine ... like Headgasket .. etc ..
after i get the cams .. im gonna equip a fuel pump also ... then gonna send my ecu for a Flash ..

Current Mods .. as u see in signature
and should i get a DC Sports Brushed Stainless Steel Manifold before the cams ..
because some friends told me a manifold will Decrease the Evos HP

Last edited by Dead-Man Inc; Dec 16, 2005 at 03:33 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 03:29 PM
  #2  
Hotshot940's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,555
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, Ohio
arp head studs, and if you wanted to do valve springs and retainers, now would be the time to do them while the head is apart.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 03:31 PM
  #3  
Dead-Man Inc's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 870
Likes: 0
From: Bahrain
and the Conrod Bolts?
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 03:34 PM
  #4  
ROGERV's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (51)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 777
Likes: 0
From: AZ
Iam running cams with stock internals, no problems. If your thinking about running high boost then I would suggest gettting arp head studs.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 03:42 PM
  #5  
Dead-Man Inc's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 870
Likes: 0
From: Bahrain
so just the cams, headgasket, arp headstuds?
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 03:42 PM
  #6  
nirvevo's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 513
Likes: 0
There are losts of posts about this.

you don't need springs or lashes for HKS 272's
Boost up to 24 or 26 doesn't need studs - look around, I forget the exact limits
Gasket not needed unless your are high milage
Stock Ex Mani better than the cheap mani's under $400 (I think torque loss is the issue on poorly designed headers)
Also avoid cheap O2 housings - no real gains and you loose the support bracket that's on the stock.

Dude - You have an MR!, don't cheap out - save up for the good stuff

good luck

Last edited by nirvevo; Dec 16, 2005 at 03:49 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 04:14 PM
  #7  
Dead-Man Inc's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 870
Likes: 0
From: Bahrain
ok ..so if i equiped the cams and cam gears .. and no flash .. any harms to the car?? ..
because the sendin ecu is an issue for me to send it all the way to the US .. and it might take long ..
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 04:30 PM
  #8  
Warrtalon's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 20,790
Likes: 2
From: Long Island, NY
Originally Posted by Dead-Man Inc
ok ..so if i equiped the cams and cam gears .. and no flash .. any harms to the car?? ..
because the sendin ecu is an issue for me to send it all the way to the US .. and it might take long ..
I don't know how many times we have to tell you before it sinks in. YOu keep adding more and more parts that affect your fuel, and that's a bad thing. PLEASE TRY TO LISTEN. If you try to drive around with all these mods without being tuned, you are just wasting your money and wasting your time. Cams, a fuel pump, and an intake with boost control is just going to be a complete mess on an untuned car. I realize that you are in Bahrain and tuning is not as easy to attain, but the last thing you should be doing is continually adding mods while completely ignoring the tuning. YOu are going to be spending lots of money and have a car that runs like total ***.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 04:33 PM
  #9  
Ultimate CC's Avatar
Account Disabled
iTrader: (122)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 6,876
Likes: 0
From: Peekskill NY
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
I don't know how many times we have to tell you before it sinks in. YOu keep adding more and more parts that affect your fuel, and that's a bad thing. PLEASE TRY TO LISTEN. If you try to drive around with all these mods without being tuned, you are just wasting your money and wasting your time. Cams, a fuel pump, and an intake with boost control is just going to be a complete mess on an untuned car. I realize that you are in Bahrain and tuning is not as easy to attain, but the last thing you should be doing is continually adding mods while completely ignoring the tuning. YOu are going to be spending lots of money and have a car that runs like total ***.
+1 Tuning is everything when it comes to having a car running right and getting the most out of the mods installed.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 04:42 PM
  #10  
Dead-Man Inc's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 870
Likes: 0
From: Bahrain
yea i know .... k fine .. i'll send my ecu soon enough
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 05:08 PM
  #11  
Gruppe-S's Avatar
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (206)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 5,762
Likes: 3
From: Santa Ana, California
I would highly recommend injectors, fuel pump, ARP headstuds, cam gears, and most importantly a tune. Please note that you can't just upgrade one thing and not the other.

Thanks,
Tom
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 05:19 PM
  #12  
MitsuEvoIIX's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 346
Likes: 0
From: New York
is a head gasket needed?
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 05:37 PM
  #13  
nothere's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,680
Likes: 1
From: Bellevue. WA
huh?
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 06:37 PM
  #14  
nirvevo's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 513
Likes: 0
"remember the stock injectors are damn near at full output get some 650's"


Not sure about the need for injectors. where did you get your flow calculations?

Vishnu doesn't show an injector upgrade with their 390 HP stage and that is about where this guy will end up theorectically.
(I don't use their stuff nor, am I'm NOT a fanboy, But I DO respect what they do)

Tuning should definitely be done on his car, BUT with his mod's he may still run OK while he looks around for a good shop or waits for a flash, etc....

(edit: that is "waits till he decides when" he wants to take his car out of action while the ECU is sent out. Saw the way that comment looked and had to fix it :-)

I ran 272/264's with a 10.5 Hotside while waiting to put in my wideband in and it ran fine at 5280 ft. If anybody was going to be way rich, I should have been. I was still averaging between 22 mpg normal driving 18 stepping on it a lot.

not saying it won't be better with the right tune (hoping for 30-40 more hp after the tune) I was hitting right at 300 uncorrected on 93 (again at 5280 above sea level). That works out to 350 HP untuned with a modest correction of 1.17.
The local DynoJet usually corrects at at least 1.25 - 1.28 which is way too generous for a turbo car up here.

My logs showed I was hitting peak 94 duty cycles and 92 after a Walbro install. Usually I was in the high 80's under full load, WOT.

He should also look into a logger and SAFC if he can't find a local shop to dial it all in.

Just another perspective.

Last edited by nirvevo; Dec 16, 2005 at 07:35 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 06:43 PM
  #15  
Warrtalon's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 20,790
Likes: 2
From: Long Island, NY
Edited: Removed quote and response after bad original post was deleted by timzcat thankfully.

Last edited by Warrtalon; Dec 16, 2005 at 10:02 PM.
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:05 AM.