Ive been searching for the greddy evo2 exhaust thread that was posted a couple days ago. Im assuming it has been taken down WHY????? I think it is our right to know about vendors and there services. THis is a board made up of adults that are part of a community aimed at helping evo owners. This board is way too sanitized when it comes to certain vendors. What ever vendor complains about a thread to be taken down should evaluate the way they practice their business. Publicity is publicity good and bad and we as members that pay money for services should be allowed to hear other member experiences. If the thread is made about a legitimate problem why take it down?? If your worried it will hurt business im sure it will but dont screw-up in the first place. Make good on your mistake if it does become public and redeem your credibility and keep your integrity. Just because the thread is down doesnt mean the problem is gone. When you wake up in the morning members are going to remember what happened and how nothing was solved since that is how these closed threads are left off as. This is not just about this one occurence this has been done multiple times dealing with multiple vendors.

 

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So that thread was removed? Wow...... i have never seen this kind of behavior before on a forum. I was a very very active member on clubrsx.com and those kinds of threads popped up from time to time. It was important that things didn't get out of hand, but the information brought to the forefront was important for all to see and for all to benefit from. Complaints should be handled in a non-public setting at the get-go. But if problems continue to exist, customers should be allowed to voice their opinions publically, for all to see and discuss. Good or bad. It's important that people not have the wool pulled over their eyes when it comes to vendors. Let's face it, you spend your hard earned money on products and services from vendors. do you think it's fair that vendor issues are censored? Would you feel as though it's fair if the BBB decided to no longer exist? That consumers were no longer cared for and defended? Vendor's should be held accountable for their actions. Either on a forum or other public site.

If there is something going on that is not right, we should be able to publically see this information, to judge for ourselves. This info is critical to consumers, so we can decide for ourselves, where we spend our money. After all, it's OUR money.

I have been a consumer advocate on many occasions. I single handedly stoped a shady vendor from being allowed to offer it's goods and services on clubrsx.com. People were destroying their engines, ECU's, wiring harnesses because of this vendor's products and false statements. It was IMPORTANT and critical to the process that people be allowed to see what was really going on, weather or not they wanted to believe it. It was their buisness. The facts still remained on the table for people to accept or reject. In the end, my efforts and the efforts of many after me made people realize that what we were saying was true and was based in FACT. Today, Cybernation Motorsports is a dwindling company, that went from a up-start k-series performance company(first to offer a turbo kit for the RSX-S) to a barely alive back-yard hack job. They were strait up lying to the consumer about the guardian piggyback, hailed as the worlds first self tuning piggyback. After my intense research to debunk these claims, i found that this piggyback was nothing more than a MAP clamp AFC device, with off the shelf parts you can get at radio shack. It was running people's turboed K20A2's at very very lean AFR's (13.5-15.0:1) and over advancing ignition timing, causing major detonation events and lots of damage. On top of that, they were selling 3.5ohm 550cc injectors with their kits. These low impedance injectors were frying the injector drivers of the customer's ECU. The K20A2 Honda ECU was designed to drive high impedance injectors(12-16ohm), not low impedance injectors. When the company was confronted about these issues, they blamed everything on wiring problems and bad installs. Bad installs and wiring issues accounted for about 1% of the actual problems experienced.

All this information can STILL be seen on clubrsx.com. Nothing was censored or removed. This is just one major example. There were many more lower priority examples that happend all the time.

Chris Dye, owner of clubrsx.com never onced had his mods remove this information. If it got out of hand, the memeber was asked to cease his/her actions. If it was found that a particular member was making a false claim to bash a vendor, they were removed.

One person can make a false claim, but if many people are making the same claim and airing their experiences with a particular vendor, than there is probably a problem with that vendor. It should be handled as such.

Another bad experience i remember seeing, was with One-Fab. Many of you might remember that guy. He made some turbo manifolds for the Evo back in the day. He was also making turbo manifolds for the RSX as well. Selling them on clubrsx.com, Honda-tech.com and a few other forums. Lots and i mean LOTS of people saw his work and started to buy these manifolds from him. At first, it was cool. I even bought one from him. After awhile, people were having to wait 2-3 months to get the product after paying for it. Some people never even got their manifolds, and he would not answer calls, not would he return monies owed. This became a epidemic. Then, alot of the existing manifolds started to crack of people. Mine actually cracked in about 5 different places(the thread can be seen on clubrsx.com). It was a mess. People got the picture and because it was public information, he no longer recieved anybody's buisness, for good reason!

It's important that these kinds of thread stay constructive and not become flame wars. Again, you have a right to see a vendor's track record. It's YOUR money. Spend it wisely.

CJ

 

I posted in that thread multiple times and just searched for my posts and found nothing.

I guess that is what happens when a Vendor's credibility gets questioned.

 

Well, if i recall, the thread was going downhill pretty quickly because the conversation went from constructive feedback to tuning methods to just an all-out belligerent bash fest.

Sucks that it was removed though, I thought that really put to light some of the questionable stuff that goes on when tuning our cars. Just went out with a bunch fo guys last night and they were talking about pretty much the same exact thing regarding different individuals.

 

Yeah, no need to remove it, lock it maybe, but don't all out delete it.

 

thats evom for you. their way or the highway. actions speak louder than words, and from what i can tell. this website cares more about money than its members.

 

I missed that thread, what was the issue with the EVO2 exhaust?

 

All it take is for somebody to start crying and mommy mods come to the rescue by deleting threads and posts.

 

i think because of my thread title this is not getting much participation but i hope more members do come across this

 

i remember reading the thread too and it's unfortunate that it got deleted.

 

One vendor sold the exhaust to a member on here.

The member then took his EVO to another vendor on here who tunes evos.

The car didn't make great HP and the tuning vendor said it was because the exhaust he had was restrictive and that if he was to buy Vendor B's TBE then he'd pick up 20-30whp.

This was disputed and many people on here cried foul that the DYNO tuning Vendor and Vendor B were in cahoots.

 

lol I didn't see this thread, but lemme guess... Dyno tuning vendor's name started with an A and ended with a L... and Vendor B's name started with a B and ended with a uschur.

 

I ain't sayin nothing.

 

I wasnt even gonna look at this thread until I realized the original one was deleted...

Its sad that a particular tooner gets 'special treatment' allowing him to post just about anything - off topic stuff, misleading tests that intentionally put down decent products - while other vendors / members post gets deleted when they question his testing methodology.

This is basically the only reason why I get my US parts from AMS / Full Race / Works - they dont have deceiptfull tooners testing / advertising their products