outrageously priced parts....vent yourself to the atm in this thread!
outrageously priced parts....vent yourself to the atm in this thread!
just wanted to share something with you guys that you can probably relate to...
most parts are for the most part reasonable, and if they are not, its really kinda upto the performance enthusiast to do his/her homework to determine if its worth going namebrand or not, or shopping around, going used etc etc...
but man, there are some parts out there that i just cannot begin to fathom why its costs so much money...
for example (and i encourage you to add your own examples !)
LICP.
ams $239 or soemthing, Buschur $210 , nisei 139.. etc etc
i mean come on. the R & D has been done already, these things have been made for sometime now.. in reality, it is a very short mandrel bent SS or aluminium pipe with a few couplers.
Just take a look at it, hold it in your hand, study it... and then add the correlary that you are paying north of 200 bucks for this bent pipe...
crazy isnt it? I mean these things cost MORE than most downpipes. i know there is a chance that vendors are going to come in here and bash me for not comprehending the nasa level **** it took, and the six digit earning fabricators/overhead that was needed to make the part, but i still cant see it, just cant..
and thats the end of my rant.. carry oN!
most parts are for the most part reasonable, and if they are not, its really kinda upto the performance enthusiast to do his/her homework to determine if its worth going namebrand or not, or shopping around, going used etc etc...
but man, there are some parts out there that i just cannot begin to fathom why its costs so much money...
for example (and i encourage you to add your own examples !)
LICP.
ams $239 or soemthing, Buschur $210 , nisei 139.. etc etc
i mean come on. the R & D has been done already, these things have been made for sometime now.. in reality, it is a very short mandrel bent SS or aluminium pipe with a few couplers.
Just take a look at it, hold it in your hand, study it... and then add the correlary that you are paying north of 200 bucks for this bent pipe...
crazy isnt it? I mean these things cost MORE than most downpipes. i know there is a chance that vendors are going to come in here and bash me for not comprehending the nasa level **** it took, and the six digit earning fabricators/overhead that was needed to make the part, but i still cant see it, just cant..
and thats the end of my rant.. carry oN!
Last edited by Dr. SS; Jun 11, 2007 at 12:59 PM.
well i agree 100% why are DSM parts cheaper than evo parts....its a dang 4G63...i know there are technological advances but comon... and how come evo parts are 3 times what a brand new mustangs parts are...
i might have opened up a can of worms with that comment but really...how come a block for a V8 "completely built" ready for 800WHP...cost less than a 4 cylinder completely built... just talking about the block here too
i might have opened up a can of worms with that comment but really...how come a block for a V8 "completely built" ready for 800WHP...cost less than a 4 cylinder completely built... just talking about the block here too
give it time.... prices were sky high for dsm parts at one point. I remember getting a quote of $1400 for a small 16g way way back in the day. I believe that there are way less evos than turbo dsms as well.
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Its about volume.
The evo is a low volume parts market compared to a mustang. There is probably a 1000 to 1 ratio of mustangs vs evo's. Therefore you charge more for the same part and make up the difference in volume.
Also, there are a relatively small number of evo parts manufacturers out there. Lots of vendors, but few fabricators. Where a mustang has 1000's of fabricators due the huge volume of mustangs on the road.
The Evo fabricators all tend to charge roughly the same for their parts and don't want to lower the price, almost like conspiracy.
The sad reality is, they charge what they charge because people are willing to pay it. In the beginning it was almost justified to cover development cost, that has probably been covered on most stuff by now, but people are so used to the pricing that they don't need to lower it... because people are willing to pay it, because its the price its always been.
If there were more Evo's then more company's would get into the game and eventually you'd see pricing come down. Sales is a volume business, and when you have a low volume you raise prices to compensate.
If buschur and ams where selling a 1000 licp's a month... or even every 6 months, the price would probably come down. But they aren't and it won't, because they keep a low stock and make them on an as needed basis which is more expensive than mass producing them... which alot of mustang parts are.
And if you think Evo parts are expensive, try an S2000 some time.
Basic economics.
The evo is a low volume parts market compared to a mustang. There is probably a 1000 to 1 ratio of mustangs vs evo's. Therefore you charge more for the same part and make up the difference in volume.
Also, there are a relatively small number of evo parts manufacturers out there. Lots of vendors, but few fabricators. Where a mustang has 1000's of fabricators due the huge volume of mustangs on the road.
The Evo fabricators all tend to charge roughly the same for their parts and don't want to lower the price, almost like conspiracy.
The sad reality is, they charge what they charge because people are willing to pay it. In the beginning it was almost justified to cover development cost, that has probably been covered on most stuff by now, but people are so used to the pricing that they don't need to lower it... because people are willing to pay it, because its the price its always been.
If there were more Evo's then more company's would get into the game and eventually you'd see pricing come down. Sales is a volume business, and when you have a low volume you raise prices to compensate.
If buschur and ams where selling a 1000 licp's a month... or even every 6 months, the price would probably come down. But they aren't and it won't, because they keep a low stock and make them on an as needed basis which is more expensive than mass producing them... which alot of mustang parts are.
And if you think Evo parts are expensive, try an S2000 some time.
Basic economics.
Last edited by s2kguy; Jun 11, 2007 at 01:18 PM.
^ yeah your right it is simple economics...
im just saying its rediculous that a crate motor built for 800whp is less than a rebuilt 4G63 from a good shop... but yeah it is all about how many companies are in the business
im just saying its rediculous that a crate motor built for 800whp is less than a rebuilt 4G63 from a good shop... but yeah it is all about how many companies are in the business
Last edited by Evo8yurAMG; Jun 11, 2007 at 01:22 PM.
Its about volume.
The evo is a low volume parts market compared to a mustang. There is probably a 1000 to 1 ratio of mustangs vs evo's. Therefore you charge more for the same part and make up the difference in volume.
Also, there are a relatively small number of evo parts manufacturers out there. Lots of vendors, but few fabricators. Where a mustang has 1000's of fabricators due the huge volume of mustangs on the road.
The Evo fabricators all tend to charge roughly the same for their parts and don't want to lower the price, almost like conspiracy.
The sad reality is, they charge what they charge because people are willing to pay it. In the beginning it was almost justified to cover development cost, that has probably been covered on most stuff by now, but people are so used to the pricing that they don't need to lower it... because people are willing to pay it, because its the price its always been.
If there were more Evo's then more company's would get into the game and eventually you'd see pricing come down. Sales is a volume business, and when you have a low volume you raise prices to compensate.
If buschur and ams where selling a 1000 licp's a month... or even every 6 months, the price would probably come down. But they aren't and it won't, because they keep a low stock and make them on an as needed basis which is more expensive than mass producing them... which alot of mustang parts are.
And if you think Evo parts are expensive, try an S2000 some time.
Basic economics.
The evo is a low volume parts market compared to a mustang. There is probably a 1000 to 1 ratio of mustangs vs evo's. Therefore you charge more for the same part and make up the difference in volume.
Also, there are a relatively small number of evo parts manufacturers out there. Lots of vendors, but few fabricators. Where a mustang has 1000's of fabricators due the huge volume of mustangs on the road.
The Evo fabricators all tend to charge roughly the same for their parts and don't want to lower the price, almost like conspiracy.
The sad reality is, they charge what they charge because people are willing to pay it. In the beginning it was almost justified to cover development cost, that has probably been covered on most stuff by now, but people are so used to the pricing that they don't need to lower it... because people are willing to pay it, because its the price its always been.
If there were more Evo's then more company's would get into the game and eventually you'd see pricing come down. Sales is a volume business, and when you have a low volume you raise prices to compensate.
If buschur and ams where selling a 1000 licp's a month... or even every 6 months, the price would probably come down. But they aren't and it won't, because they keep a low stock and make them on an as needed basis which is more expensive than mass producing them... which alot of mustang parts are.
And if you think Evo parts are expensive, try an S2000 some time.
Basic economics.
another example:
one poly bushing insert for a front mount. 50.00. ??? WTF?
unbelievable. thats a pretty healthy markup dont u think? and tahts a mass marketed polyurethane bushing. not a R & D'd hot from the lab type stuff.
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As far as the LICP I agree, there is no R&D behind that and if nisei sells it for 139 that is a dam good price. 239 is overpriced. For the LICP all you need are 2 bends at about $30 each for aluminum for the normal consumer and a piece of straight which is at most $20. (Shops get it cheaper because of the quantity of material) It doesnt take much skill to mark the pipes and cut them in the right spots to fit in place and then join them with couplers or get the welded if you have the access. There will be one weld needed an the rest is just couplers. At Napa you can buy 3ply diesel radiator hose for dirt cheap and it works fine(Seen it hold 40psi). Or you can buy couplers, at most you will need 2 straight and 1 reducer probably a total of $30 bucks or 1 extra coupler if you dont have access to a welder.
so..
2 aluminum bends x $30
1 aluminum straight(not needed if bends are j) x $20
3 couplers x $10
weld one section or you can use couplers all the way thru. cost of 10 min weld
so..
2 aluminum bends x $30
1 aluminum straight(not needed if bends are j) x $20
3 couplers x $10
weld one section or you can use couplers all the way thru. cost of 10 min weld
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Well if you can make it at the same quality, powdercoated, one-piece design as the Nisei lower for under $139, then go for it. I personally don't have time to go out and make one myself so I guess I'm paying extra for their labor cost and saving me the headache of doing it myself. To me, it's worth it.
