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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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no lines where off the fpr....funny thing is, i just pmed you about 2 weeks ago about a turbo kit and tune. no im hoping my machine guy can save my block re-hone and bore so i can slap pistons, rods, and bearings...hopefully the head is fine...hopefully i can build the bottom end and head as well while im at it...looks like the car will be down for a while so maybe a new turbo kit as well....then eventually i can see you and get my car done right. im so pissed, 9200 miles and boom.
I remember our PMs about the 3065 kit.

Lets hope your block can be bored and there is enough meat left to salvage it and then you wont be in too bad a situation.

I have not seen too many Evos melt down pistons like this. You should still look carefully at the root cause of your problem as it seems like a very immediate and violent failure of some sort. I would think that IF your situation was caused by a tune the problem would have materalized much sooner in the past 3,000 miles since you got it. This is not just say a bad rod bearing its a near melt down apparently. Some things that come to my mind could include, but not limited to, an over boosting from a hose popping off a boost control, a fuel pump failure (lack of fuel supply), very poor quality octane fuel, etc.

Hopefully, the block will be ok and you will have a stronger engine as a result.

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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 04:12 PM
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since i was bored i looked through his posts...he got it tuned around feb. 24th 2007 on a dynodynamics dynamometer..so i wonder what shops in the LI area have that dyno
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 05:18 PM
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Was this Nolimitmotorsports? I'm curious as I was looking to get a tune in the NY/LI area as well.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 05:29 PM
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[QUOTE]ECU is supposed to have a low octane map in case of bad gas or other stuffs which could lead to a engine failure & detonation, isn't it?[QUOTE]



some tuners copy the hi octane maps into the lo maps, removing the saftey switch.

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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 05:58 PM
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Yeah, I've heard about some tuners using the same variables from the high map into the low map so it won't do you car any good when the ECU switches maps.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 06:24 PM
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Yea. You shouldnt make them exactly the same but the ECU will still pull timing once enough knock is detected regardless if the maps for high and low octane and ignition timing are the same or not.

My guess is this car over boosted and went super lean detonating the heck out of it. Since no mechanical failure has been noticed yet
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 08:02 PM
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i thank everyone for their inputs on what the problem can be, and i will say again, there were no lines of any sort off, the fuel pump did not fail because when i got the car to my shop later on, i ran it for a few seconds....the block will be coming out Tomorow and hopefully i can get the block and head inspected to see what the exact damages are.... hopefully i can turn this disaster into a real good machine once it is done....i do not see the reason of putting pistons/rods and getting the head all done ported etc, to run the 16g, i plan on running atleast a 30-35r once everything is figured out...
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 08:09 PM
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i would also like to add that "Al from DynoFlash" DID not tune my car if anyone is wondering.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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So who did ?
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by evo8604
i would also like to add that "Al from DynoFlash" DID not tune my car if anyone is wondering.
I think it's a good idea to tell so other people don't potentially blow their motors by going to the same tuner.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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I think someone should pore over the ECU maps, combined with tearing apart the engine, before throwing a tuner under the bus.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by evo8604
i would also like to add that "Al from DynoFlash" DID not tune my car if anyone is wondering.
Thanks for clearing that up. It seems in one of your old posts you mentioned the possibility of using my services a few guys have been contacting me to ask if I had tuned your car. Although I knew that I did not tune your car it seems there are a lot of people with too much time on thier hands to pour through thousands of old posts and threads to try to find someone to throw under a bus.

I think you are to be commended for NOT identifying your tuner until and unless you find direct proof that the tuning is a contributing factor to your engine failure.

Its like when a car accident happens on the highway and all the rubber neckers are twisting their neck to look at the carnage.

I wanted to say that in a situation like this people's minds should be at feeling bad for the guy who's engine took a dump and feeling his pain for the aggrevation and expense he has to go through to repair and fix his car.

It really amazes me how many of the members here are so quick to jump on the blame the tuner band wagon without any evidence of what actually caused the engine failure and no concrete diagnosis.

Al
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 02:34 AM
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Well, he did say he was almost 100% sure it was the tune on post #53. But you are right about the evidence.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 04:46 AM
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i agree to everyone ready to point fingers, im on my way to work now, hopefully the block will be out in between other jobs im doing at the same time. im bringing my camera. i will post pictures later with the block in and out of the car. i do not see any noticable damage to the head yet but ill post pictures anyway.



Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Thanks for clearing that up. It seems in one of your old posts you mentioned the possibility of using my services a few guys have been contacting me to ask if I had tuned your car. Although I knew that I did not tune your car it seems there are a lot of people with too much time on thier hands to pour through thousands of old posts and threads to try to find someone to throw under a bus.

I think you are to be commended for NOT identifying your tuner until and unless you find direct proof that the tuning is a contributing factor to your engine failure.

Its like when a car accident happens on the highway and all the rubber neckers are twisting their neck to look at the carnage.

I wanted to say that in a situation like this people's minds should be at feeling bad for the guy who's engine took a dump and feeling his pain for the aggrevation and expense he has to go through to repair and fix his car.

It really amazes me how many of the members here are so quick to jump on the blame the tuner band wagon without any evidence of what actually caused the engine failure and no concrete diagnosis.

Al
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by budlong

some tuners copy the hi octane maps into the lo maps, removing the saftey switch.
I have never heard of a tuner copying the high octane maps into the low octane maps, but I have heard of a few that have went the other way around.
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