FP RED setups, recommendations, and advice
Were you logging pulls after it was tuned, or are you saying there was no knock when it was tuned? How aggressive were your EGTs at peak (since you had a Zeitronix)?
the tune was a safe tune, boost not pushed to the limit, nor was the timing. the point of not pushing the tune was because he didn't want to blow his motor (i remember him saying that specifically
). one thing to note, it did have tephra mod v5.10. none of the functionality of it was being utilized though (except valet mode i think). it just fixed the rom version that dynoflash obsfucated making his rom unreadable with my ecuflash 1.41. the tephra mod changed rom ids, enabling me to read the rom.
no knock when the car was tuned, thats how i always tune cars. i don't think jeff runs an EGT. Timing tables were not out of the ordinary for a car with a red, 1 degree at spoolup, peak torque had 320 load calc, 29.7psi, and 12degrees at 7400rpm. AFR's were between 11.5:1 and 12:1, with meth turning on at 8.5psi. it is an HFS-5 with either 2 nozzles or 1x 1mm nozzles. i don't remember, jeff will have to check.
the tune was a safe tune, boost not pushed to the limit, nor was the timing. the point of not pushing the tune was because he didn't want to blow his motor (i remember him saying that specifically).
one thing to note, it did have tephra mod v5.10. none of the functionality of it was being utilized though (except valet mode i think). it just fixed the rom version that dynoflash obsfucated making his rom unreadable with my ecuflash 1.41. the tephra mod changed rom ids, enabling me to read the rom.
the tune was a safe tune, boost not pushed to the limit, nor was the timing. the point of not pushing the tune was because he didn't want to blow his motor (i remember him saying that specifically).
one thing to note, it did have tephra mod v5.10. none of the functionality of it was being utilized though (except valet mode i think). it just fixed the rom version that dynoflash obsfucated making his rom unreadable with my ecuflash 1.41. the tephra mod changed rom ids, enabling me to read the rom.
I was driving by my school showing off my new power to my friend. we just finished the drive and i was going slow to let every thing cool off. i had done 2 previous 3rd gear pulls. i was going around a corner and exited about 3k rpms in 3rd. then i floored it and it immediately blew. meth tank was full and i have no leaks. octane was 93 same as my tune calls for.
Mods:
Buschur 3” Turbo Back Exhaust w/ Test Pipe
Buschur o2 Housing Ported and Jet Coated
Buschur Stock Exhaust Manifold Ported and Jet Coated
Samco Intercooler Couplers
ARC Intake
A’PEXi AVC-R Electronic Boost Controller
Exedy Heavy Duty Twin Plate Ceramatellic Clutch
Stainless Steel Brake Lines and Clutch Line
Kart Boy Shifter Bushings In Cab and In Engine
Hawk HPS Brake Pads
B&M Short Shifter
Ingallas Stiffy Engine Torque Dampener
Forge Front Engine Mount
GSC 272i and 272e Cams
Sheppard Racing Stage 2 Transfer Case
Blitz Turbo Timer: Dual T/T DC IV
Boost Gauge
Zeitronix Wideband with EGT, ARF, Boost, and Lambda
Sparco Harness Bar and 4 Point Harness
Forge RS BOV
Michelin Pilot Sport A/S + 265/35/18
Aquamist HSF-5 Methanol Kit
ETS Lower Intercooler Pipe
AMS Mini Battery
Forced Performance Turbo Oil Filter
Forced Performance Red Turbo
Rota Boost Wheels
Blox Blue Lug Nuts
ARP Wheel Studs
Mods:
Buschur 3” Turbo Back Exhaust w/ Test Pipe
Buschur o2 Housing Ported and Jet Coated
Buschur Stock Exhaust Manifold Ported and Jet Coated
Samco Intercooler Couplers
ARC Intake
A’PEXi AVC-R Electronic Boost Controller
Exedy Heavy Duty Twin Plate Ceramatellic Clutch
Stainless Steel Brake Lines and Clutch Line
Kart Boy Shifter Bushings In Cab and In Engine
Hawk HPS Brake Pads
B&M Short Shifter
Ingallas Stiffy Engine Torque Dampener
Forge Front Engine Mount
GSC 272i and 272e Cams
Sheppard Racing Stage 2 Transfer Case
Blitz Turbo Timer: Dual T/T DC IV
Boost Gauge
Zeitronix Wideband with EGT, ARF, Boost, and Lambda
Sparco Harness Bar and 4 Point Harness
Forge RS BOV
Michelin Pilot Sport A/S + 265/35/18
Aquamist HSF-5 Methanol Kit
ETS Lower Intercooler Pipe
AMS Mini Battery
Forced Performance Turbo Oil Filter
Forced Performance Red Turbo
Rota Boost Wheels
Blox Blue Lug Nuts
ARP Wheel Studs
What I thought was the bov fluttering was the tbe leaking. My only assumption is that this caused the disturbance, causing a surging of the RED. On my first drive after replacing the 12$ gasket. NO flutter. yippe. I have already bought the APS though, so I might as well put her in! lol.
Last edited by EvolvedGTI; Mar 9, 2009 at 04:45 AM.
Wow...you're pretty open with your tuning parameters! Anyhow, I didn't mean to point fingers at the tune. I was just wondering whether the motor may have gone because of knock, or whether that had been ruled out from a concurrent datalog with the failure. Obviously, knock can come from a mechanical issue as well (meth issue, fuel pump issue, injector issue, gas/methanol quality, etc.) even if the tune is conservative. Anyhow, I'm glad for all the sharing and openness of information on this failure. Helps the rest of us learn.
any time a motor issue is involved, it is always best to be open about it. people are going to question the tune (always happens). jeffs case is weird because we did tune it very safe and didn't go crazy with it. once i get the car it will be inspected thouroughly to try and find out why it failed.
hmm i hope i dont have ne problems. my motor has just 40k right now and ill be looking to do 30psi on rase gas but ill mostly be on 93 oct at about 27psi i doubt ill have the power you have cuz of your meth but with the race gas ill be close well ill just have to keep a conservitive tune till i build the block well thanks for the info and i wish you well with the big repaire and again sry to hear
Tune sounds pretty conservative, for all you know the engine was already on the brink of blowing and the Red just gave it the shove it needed. Hope it gets put together w/ stronger internals so that you can feel the full potential of the turbo.
just got off the phone with nick at buschur. trying to get all the stuff i need for a full 2.0 build with a stage 3 head and all the other stuff i killed. time to see what this red can really do. nothing will be happening for awhile because i cant take my car to kevins for about a week and this saturday im on spring break so it will be a slow process but ill keep you updated on what i decided to do. also kevin gave me the idea, im going to turn my stock holy block into a nice coffee table. maybe hang the radiator on the wall as decoration, i donno the possibilities are endless lol.
i will be useing my stocker ported but like alot of people say its the best bang for the buck nothing beats free haha but it depends if you going for ultimite power. i seen a thread showing the difference between the buschur ported vrs a tubular manifold and the tubular mani had a good gain over the ported stock. so do you want a few more hp for that much extra money your gonna spend on the tubular?