Precision Turbo 6262 daily driver???
If one feels that lag is overrated, then why wouldn't he just get a 42R and be done with it?
The strategy for the best possible result is very simple. Get the smallest turbo that will comfortably do the job.
If E85 is available, and 500-550whp is your target, the FP Red can get you there, and spools much faster than any of the larger, open housing T3 turbos mentioned in this discussion.
If 93 octane is all you have, the HTA3582R is your best bet for that power range with least lag. It's capable of 700whp, which is well beyond your power target.
Finally, 90+% of those who harp about the large turbos aren't getting anywhere near the full power potential of those turbos and probably never will.
They are getting however 100% of the lag, all the time.
If E85 is available, and 500-550whp is your target, the FP Red can get you there, and spools much faster than any of the larger, open housing T3 turbos mentioned in this discussion.
If 93 octane is all you have, the HTA3582R is your best bet for that power range with least lag. It's capable of 700whp, which is well beyond your power target.
Finally, 90+% of those who harp about the large turbos aren't getting anywhere near the full power potential of those turbos and probably never will.
They are getting however 100% of the lag, all the time.
When i say that lag is over rated in talking in reference to the op's question about the 6262. I run one daily driven(82a/r) and after 4500 its all hell. I dont see why that should be an issue, if racing from a roll you will be high enough in the revs where lag wont be an issue. When at the track 2 step allows you to launch in boost. I drive the car everywhere and full boost is a downshift away.
To the op get the 6262 the lag IS overated. (on this turbo)
To the op get the 6262 the lag IS overated. (on this turbo)
peak torque is where the fun starts.
peak torque 6262 is at ~5700rpm
peak torque red is at ~4500 rpm
please dont misquote power in attempt to make your point. the 6262 doesnt make good power till 5500 or higher on a stock 2.0 with just cams. from 4500-5500 its still sucking eggs. this is exactly the ignorance I suggest exists.
peak torque is where the fun starts.
peak torque 6262 is at ~5700rpm
peak torque red is at ~4500 rpm
peak torque is where the fun starts.
peak torque 6262 is at ~5700rpm
peak torque red is at ~4500 rpm
Op check out dynoflash`s youtube videos of big al testing the 6262 on suman`s car.
Last edited by Poloiceberg; Jan 23, 2009 at 08:21 AM.
Is this going to be done on a 2.0 or 2.3???
Brian & I just built his 2.3 with the new Winberg crank with the 6262 and it is spooling around 4200 and hits full boost by 5000.
Great Turbo IMO!
Brian & I just built his 2.3 with the new Winberg crank with the 6262 and it is spooling around 4200 and hits full boost by 5000.
Great Turbo IMO!
One would have to be generating somewhere north of 550whp across a significant portion of the powerband to exceed the capability of the FP Red, and of course, he will give up ~1000rpm of spool time regardless. That being said, unless you are already well outside the FP Red's power reach, the FP Red wouldn't need 9000rpm to beat you.
The bottom line is a large turbo doesn't necessarily deliver performance that is larger than a smaller turbo, but it always compromises street characteristics. Again, use only as large a turbo that is needed to do the job.
Last edited by Ted B; Jan 23, 2009 at 08:36 AM.
Ted, what would your opinion be on a HTA3582R vs HTA3586R for 93 octane.
Last edited by HighwayStarX; Jan 23, 2009 at 09:24 AM.
If an FP Red generates at least equal average power through its usable rev range, it doesn't matter what it's doing at 9k rpm. Rpm is the #1 killer of engines. Turning 9k rpm is an evil necessity for those making big power. There is nothing desireable about it.
One would have to be generating somewhere north of 550whp across a significant portion of the powerband to exceed the capability of the FP Red, and of course, he will give up ~1000rpm of spool time regardless. That being said, unless you are already well outside the FP Red's power reach, the FP Red wouldn't need 9000rpm to beat you.
The bottom line is a large turbo doesn't necessarily deliver performance that is larger than a smaller turbo, but it always compromises street characteristics. Again, use only as large a turbo that is needed to do the job.
One would have to be generating somewhere north of 550whp across a significant portion of the powerband to exceed the capability of the FP Red, and of course, he will give up ~1000rpm of spool time regardless. That being said, unless you are already well outside the FP Red's power reach, the FP Red wouldn't need 9000rpm to beat you.
The bottom line is a large turbo doesn't necessarily deliver performance that is larger than a smaller turbo, but it always compromises street characteristics. Again, use only as large a turbo that is needed to do the job.
if you plan on ONLY making 550whp I would NEVER ever put the 6262 turbo that I have in my car. Listen to Mike AWD and get this new 5757. Goodluck
Lag makes a huge difference plus torque guys. With these large turbos you wont make the TQ you want which gives you that stomach drop feeling. Get something smaller.
Lag makes a huge difference plus torque guys. With these large turbos you wont make the TQ you want which gives you that stomach drop feeling. Get something smaller.
I've always wanted to put a big turbo in my evo.
Now that I have done it, I'm having second thoughts.
Sure 2.3L and .69A/R 61mm is acceptable as far as lag is concerned (20psi by 3800rpm or so in 4th gear) And man, when that thing spools, it hits hard and loves every rpm of it.
But for the type of driving that I do (street), I would much more fun with evogreen or other smaller framed turbo. Sure, I won't be able to spank some of the cars but I know I'll have tons of fun.
Now that I have done it, I'm having second thoughts.
Sure 2.3L and .69A/R 61mm is acceptable as far as lag is concerned (20psi by 3800rpm or so in 4th gear) And man, when that thing spools, it hits hard and loves every rpm of it.
But for the type of driving that I do (street), I would much more fun with evogreen or other smaller framed turbo. Sure, I won't be able to spank some of the cars but I know I'll have tons of fun.
So do I, but if I came here seeking advice for 600whp on E85 and best spool and response, there are people in here that would be yanking at me to buy into something larger than necessary to do the job. Why? Because so-and-so uses one and ran this track time, and yada yada.
Had I listened to such advice, I wouldn't have my current configuration, which delivers 20 psi by 4000rpm in third gear, and has enough in it to deliver far beyond my 600whp power target with readily available fuel. A larger turbo would do nothing for me except increase lag and deaden response.