Two guys, two mods, and a tune... in the 11's
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although it appears to already have been decided, i vote for e85. i understand that injectors cost money, but race fuel is significantly more expensive. it's a road less traveled by and for some reason everyone forgets that continuing costs will quickly outstrip the small initial outlays you've already identified as available in the used/for sale arena.
to be honest, i thought you guys were cutting those times on pump gas. i still appreciate your data but i think it's a beautiful thing when we can figure out a way to produce more power while being cleaner. while not the case right now, more emissions testing and stricter enforcement are the future. there's going to be greater demand for tuners who can keep customers out of trouble while satisfying the need for more power. look at what's going on in the california based evo forums - the level of development on stock components on 91(!) while maintaining emissions compliance is incredible.
i say fuel pump, 1000cc injectors, retune. keep all the stock exhaust.
to be honest, i thought you guys were cutting those times on pump gas. i still appreciate your data but i think it's a beautiful thing when we can figure out a way to produce more power while being cleaner. while not the case right now, more emissions testing and stricter enforcement are the future. there's going to be greater demand for tuners who can keep customers out of trouble while satisfying the need for more power. look at what's going on in the california based evo forums - the level of development on stock components on 91(!) while maintaining emissions compliance is incredible.
i say fuel pump, 1000cc injectors, retune. keep all the stock exhaust.
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laptop and evoscan is what Indy is using. I have an FTP site that we use for the file transfers.
An O2 Wideband is also needed so AFR's can be logged too.
As for the tires, the BF Goodrich Drag Radials are designed for street use. I have lots of friends in Oklahoma that use them on the street, but they just don't wear as long. Tire choice for the street is a personal preference. The drag radial design with DOT certification is available to anyone when the time comes to replace tires. Our goal of 11.50 is based on primarily engine mods and not related to maintenance items. The same could be said for the clutch. How many people replace a stock clutch with another stock clutch. Doesn't happen very often among performance oriented drivers. Just as clutches are replaced with non-oem items, so also are the tires replaced with better and more consistent compounds and dimensions. We could, I suppose, replace everything with stock items, but that also wouldn't be what the normal modder would do when it came time to replace their own worn out mtce items.
An O2 Wideband is also needed so AFR's can be logged too.
As for the tires, the BF Goodrich Drag Radials are designed for street use. I have lots of friends in Oklahoma that use them on the street, but they just don't wear as long. Tire choice for the street is a personal preference. The drag radial design with DOT certification is available to anyone when the time comes to replace tires. Our goal of 11.50 is based on primarily engine mods and not related to maintenance items. The same could be said for the clutch. How many people replace a stock clutch with another stock clutch. Doesn't happen very often among performance oriented drivers. Just as clutches are replaced with non-oem items, so also are the tires replaced with better and more consistent compounds and dimensions. We could, I suppose, replace everything with stock items, but that also wouldn't be what the normal modder would do when it came time to replace their own worn out mtce items.
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We have had a change of plans in the clutch department due to time, availability, and new direction for this project. We have ended up going to the Quarter Master 7.25 since we will be testing various combinations of parts after we reach our goal. We felt with running 8-12 passes a week this would better suit our needs for dependability and consistency. A big thanks goes out to 9sec9 and Chris and Adam from MAP for coming through with this last minute solution. Thanks guys, Indy
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No problem, I just got off the phone with him
. With all the projects we have going on at the same time for his car, having you handle that one helps me a bunch. Thanks again, Indy
. With all the projects we have going on at the same time for his car, having you handle that one helps me a bunch. Thanks again, Indy
We have had a change of plans in the clutch department due to time, availability, and new direction for this project. We have ended up going to the Quarter Master 7.25 since we will be testing various combinations of parts after we reach our goal. We felt with running 8-12 passes a week this would better suit our needs for dependability and consistency. A big thanks goes out to 9sec9 and Chris and Adam from MAP for coming through with this last minute solution. MAP can also supply any of the mods used in this project. Thanks guys, Indy

It will also give everyone a great idea of hom much drag strip punishment it can take w/ 12 passes a week.............I'M VERY JEALOUS
A very special thanks to MAPerformance for helping us stay on schedule and keeping the build within our budget. Adam handled the entire transaction in record time and it's great service like this that keeps us racing and testing. I would also like to go OT for a second and thank them for designing the perfect stock appearing wastegate setup. A few months ago, i began working on a dual internal wastegate actuator, knowing at the time that I would be swapping to a custom TIAL setup if the results I expected were validated. As previously posted, we went 133.70 on the FP-Green turbo which was a new MPH record. This was with minimal peak boost, but better control. Now, I asked Indy to build the TiAL setup so we could put it into immediate use. While Googling, I found EvoM post by MAPerformance, announcing their new O2/Wastegate/TiAL setup. It was EXACTLY what I had needed for ultimate Stock Appearing Boost Control. Today, they've agreed to build a very, very slight variation for me (V band & shorter pipe) and we will be running the new MAPerformance wastegate/O2 housing/TiAL setup on the Wilson Manifolds car as soon as I get the car back from Indianapolis. The cage is very close to completion and we feel that the current combination of parts is going to be the ultimate in a street driven Evo (yes, I do drive it on the street) that will be capable of going low 9's on a stock appearing turbo. Back to on topic.
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For an engineer you have made more basic mistakes with your build which has consumed nearly one year and thousands of dollars… I'd be pretty embarrassed. The lack of planning, design, and fabrication skills makes me wonder... If I were you I'd be concentrating on my own build before criticizing someone else's
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Come on man, we all know your better then that.
I think people are a little too wrapped up in costs here. Who here honestly has less then several thousand in parts on their car that runs consistent 12.0s? I mean everything, wheels, brakes, clutch, cup holders, fuzzy dice, what ever.
Don't fault these guys because they know where to spend the money.
PS, I hear talk of some Hoosier 225/45/17 drag radials. I'll be using them on my STREET CAR.
http://www.maperformance.com/map-sta...s-mvs-evo.html
Any testing on this thing? I've been wondering how not dividing the wastegate affects things.
Any testing on this thing? I've been wondering how not dividing the wastegate affects things.
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I think the QM will do the trick for you guys while keeping an eye on cost at the same time since this seems to be an ultra-budget project 
It will also give everyone a great idea of hom much drag strip punishment it can take w/ 12 passes a week.............I'M VERY JEALOUS

It will also give everyone a great idea of hom much drag strip punishment it can take w/ 12 passes a week.............I'M VERY JEALOUS

.Come on man, we all know your better then that.
I think people are a little too wrapped up in costs here. Who here honestly has less then several thousand in parts on their car that runs consistent 12.0s? I mean everything, wheels, brakes, clutch, cup holders, fuzzy dice, what ever.
Don't fault these guys because they know where to spend the money.
PS, I hear talk of some Hoosier 225/45/17 drag radials. I'll be using them on my STREET CAR.

You are correct, it's not how much you spend, it's how you spend it.
The 225's sound good, but I'd wait for the 245/45/17's to be built and tested

P.S. I have not forgot about your PM. I'll get you some numbers this week
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I know what you mean. JID2 is like me... a know-it-all *******. 
Nice, I talked to Steve (I think was his name anyway) the other week there and he mentioned something about EVOs and 245s. 
Once the repo man (9sec9) comes for the Volks, you might want to look at the Konig Daylites.
They have a 17x7 that's 14 pounds. I picked up a set of 4 for $500.
They do not clear the front calipers though and need a 1" spacer. $600 for a set of 14 pound wheels and spacers seemed pretty reasonable though. I hopped to run them with the M/T 26/7/17s, but those things are a fortune now that M/T stopped allowing their car shops to sell them.


Once the repo man (9sec9) comes for the Volks, you might want to look at the Konig Daylites.
They have a 17x7 that's 14 pounds. I picked up a set of 4 for $500.
They do not clear the front calipers though and need a 1" spacer. $600 for a set of 14 pound wheels and spacers seemed pretty reasonable though. I hopped to run them with the M/T 26/7/17s, but those things are a fortune now that M/T stopped allowing their car shops to sell them.
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I know what you mean. JID2 is like me... a know-it-all *******. 
Nice, I talked to Steve (I think was his name anyway) the other week there and he mentioned something about EVOs and 245s.
Once the repo man (9sec9) comes for the Volks, you might want to look at the Konig Daylites.
They have a 17x7 that's 14 pounds. I picked up a set of 4 for $500.
They do not clear the front calipers though and need a 1" spacer. $600 for a set of 14 pound wheels and spacers seemed pretty reasonable though. I hopped to run them with the M/T 26/7/17s, but those things are a fortune now that M/T stopped allowing their car shops to sell them.

Nice, I talked to Steve (I think was his name anyway) the other week there and he mentioned something about EVOs and 245s.

Once the repo man (9sec9) comes for the Volks, you might want to look at the Konig Daylites.
They have a 17x7 that's 14 pounds. I picked up a set of 4 for $500.
They do not clear the front calipers though and need a 1" spacer. $600 for a set of 14 pound wheels and spacers seemed pretty reasonable though. I hopped to run them with the M/T 26/7/17s, but those things are a fortune now that M/T stopped allowing their car shops to sell them.
, the older I get the less I can tolerate BS.I have no idea who or what you are talking about
all I know is we have plenty of testing to do for a few companies.Thanks for the heads up on the wheels, but I'm working with a manufacturer now on lightweight 17's
If you want a set of M/T's let me know. VHM is three blocks North.
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