View Poll Results: FP Red or BBK
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POLL: FP Red or BBK
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do people consistently break 400whp on your cbrd mustang dyno with BBK Full?
how about the red? im kind of liking the BBK full right now but who knows if my mind will change or not. i should buy another evo and make one of them bbk powered and one of them fp powered
Last edited by mitsuevo803; Dec 15, 2009 at 06:44 PM.
thanks for making me look like an idiot CBRD....umm lucklaster=bad right? lol
do people consistently break 400whp on your cbrd mustang dyno?
how about the red? im kind of liking the BBK full right now but who knows if my mind will change or not. i should buy another evo and make one of them bbk powered and one of them fp powered
do people consistently break 400whp on your cbrd mustang dyno?
how about the red? im kind of liking the BBK full right now but who knows if my mind will change or not. i should buy another evo and make one of them bbk powered and one of them fp powered
to make 500, built block, and all the right trimmings...
cb
i wasn't insulting you, im sorry if you thought i was.
I wouldn't have expected 500 whp to be possible. I think the most maxed out set-up I've seen is the ex-Buschur Magnum running 30 psi on a BBK on Q16 fuel with a fully built Buschur motor (ported head, BF272 cams, Race FMIC, etc.). It made 426 whp:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...wer-curve.html
Is that a bad example?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...wer-curve.html
Is that a bad example?
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anyways im going with the Shearer Exhaust Manifold (possibly O2 dump also), already have AMS fmic, megan o2 right now on there in case i dont get the dump, cams are mildish but are still decent cams. i was assuming id be wanted to get tuned for around 28-30psi on 93 octane. i would definatly be happy with 400whp on a mustang dyno...thats like 430ish on a dynojet? at say 27-28 psi, what would the torque look like? i was hoping it would make somewhere close to the HP like i have now (364whp/358wtq TTP MD). and also im talking about the BBK full not the BBK-B
Last edited by mitsuevo803; Dec 15, 2009 at 06:47 PM.
To the OP what about the Red with s1's? I know we discussed one of the Red dyno results here and it had a good ol fat powerband. This setup has crossed my mind as well, I am in the same boat as you!
Here is a plot of a car with Cossie M2's, FR manifold, BBK, turboback, CBRD FMIC, ic pipes, and o2 housing BBK...
3rd gear pull on a 6 speed!
cb
Last edited by CBRD; Dec 16, 2009 at 07:35 AM.
here is a RED (evo 8) and BBK (evo ix)
this is NOT APPLES TO APPLES!!!
RED has kelfords with springs, 1200cc injectors, fmic, piping, o2 dump, turboback, ported EM, etc..
BBK is an evo ix, cossie m2's, FR manifold, o2 dump, 780's, ic piping, turboback, fmic
the 8 is in 3rd gear, as is the ix MR....
you can see that the upgraded actuator on the red makes an interesting torque peak... and holds about 1.5 psi more boost at redline...... the bbk is running less peak boost, and less at redline... so.. hard to compare...
look at the averages on the lower right.
cb
this is NOT APPLES TO APPLES!!!
RED has kelfords with springs, 1200cc injectors, fmic, piping, o2 dump, turboback, ported EM, etc..
BBK is an evo ix, cossie m2's, FR manifold, o2 dump, 780's, ic piping, turboback, fmic
the 8 is in 3rd gear, as is the ix MR....
you can see that the upgraded actuator on the red makes an interesting torque peak... and holds about 1.5 psi more boost at redline...... the bbk is running less peak boost, and less at redline... so.. hard to compare...
look at the averages on the lower right.
cb
How much more power do you think that Full race exhaust mani gives as compared to a ported stock exhaust manifold? I like the overlay, you can really tell where eack turbo shines. The BBk has the early torque but the Red wakes up after 5/k rpm. Can't really compare these two turbos, there quite different...
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CBRD - those dynographs look very good i love how the torque comes on so fast. i noticed each graph was almost 24 psi or less. should I assume that at 28psi BBK full can make almost 380+ wtq on your dyno? it's been proven that at 24psi 400whp is almost easily achievable.
the thread about FP Red on 92 octane with the S1's made me really want to buy them and you can get them reletively cheap brand new compared to say 2 years ago.
full race and shearer manifolds have been proven to make 10-20whp and 5-15 more wtq than the ported exhaust manifold if i remember correctly. i know that EITHER manifold will make more power than the ported, however they will result in a slight deplay (more lag) by a few hundred rpms. theres threads on here with dyno results for BOTH manifolds if you search, i just cant find them right now. with stock valvetrain it looks like BBK Full is the way to go because it makes torque so early. red looks like it is meant to work best with upgraded springs/retainers to rev over 7800rpms because the red will probably still be making power at 8500rpms.
How much more power do you think that Full race exhaust mani gives as compared to a ported stock exhaust manifold? I like the overlay, you can really tell where eack turbo shines. The BBk has the early torque but the Red wakes up after 5/k rpm. Can't really compare these two turbos, there quite different...
CBRD - those dynographs look very good i love how the torque comes on so fast. i noticed each graph was almost 24 psi or less. should I assume that at 28psi BBK full can make almost 380+ wtq on your dyno? it's been proven that at 24psi 400whp is almost easily achievable.
the thread about FP Red on 92 octane with the S1's made me really want to buy them and you can get them reletively cheap brand new compared to say 2 years ago.
full race and shearer manifolds have been proven to make 10-20whp and 5-15 more wtq than the ported exhaust manifold if i remember correctly. i know that EITHER manifold will make more power than the ported, however they will result in a slight deplay (more lag) by a few hundred rpms. theres threads on here with dyno results for BOTH manifolds if you search, i just cant find them right now. with stock valvetrain it looks like BBK Full is the way to go because it makes torque so early. red looks like it is meant to work best with upgraded springs/retainers to rev over 7800rpms because the red will probably still be making power at 8500rpms.
the thread about FP Red on 92 octane with the S1's made me really want to buy them and you can get them reletively cheap brand new compared to say 2 years ago.
full race and shearer manifolds have been proven to make 10-20whp and 5-15 more wtq than the ported exhaust manifold if i remember correctly. i know that EITHER manifold will make more power than the ported, however they will result in a slight deplay (more lag) by a few hundred rpms. theres threads on here with dyno results for BOTH manifolds if you search, i just cant find them right now. with stock valvetrain it looks like BBK Full is the way to go because it makes torque so early. red looks like it is meant to work best with upgraded springs/retainers to rev over 7800rpms because the red will probably still be making power at 8500rpms.
The charts arent really apples to apples..
consider if the BBK held another 2 psi to redline it would have picked up another 15-20 whp
cb