that torque is just awesome

 

I'm thinking more like 10k Euro. 10K US is about 6k Euro. Their T4 kits range from 3500-3700. Im guessing all the other jazz will run quite a bit more than 23-2500.

Still would be nasty and considering how much people dump into their cars already, this isn't that outlandish.

 

We don't use the Euro (€)... our currency is in Pounds Sterling (£)

 

any pix of this monster setup?? very curious!!

 

You really think its twice the power? norris uses and engine dyno. its actually on an engine stand and run that way. Bushur uses a low reading chassis dyno. Its hardly twice the power. If you look at all of Norris builds they are rediculously over built. No where near the simplicity of a nice buschur build. project white has gone 10.35 at 139. that was at 32psi with plenty more on tap. with mild weight reduction. lets see Norris car best that before you quote it makes double the HP. Not trying to bash norris or anyone who thinks this setup is the shiat. I call it like I see it. Twin charging is nothing short of complex. those who think otherwise dont have much experience in this game. The more HP you make the more important it becomes to keep it simple. take it however you want. just offering friendly advice. This twin charging is not new concept. and has been tryed by many good performance shops with varying results. I doubt very seriously Norris just reinvented the wheel.

 

Who said twin Charging was a new concept? Norris didn't reinvent the wheel, but it looks like did something that hasn't been perfected on the Evo yet. They said the combo made 99- horse, but they also said there is a lot more to be made. This is an interesting concept to follow by a shop that looks like they know what they are doing.

 

There is more to life then going down a quarter mile strip. If all norris wanted to do was run 10.3 he could of done it with a big turbo and no supercharger just like a whole bunch of people over here in the states have done, no rocket science there.

Norris did not reinvent the wheel, he took an idea that had been used before and adapted it to the evo platform. Who cares about how complicated it is? We could be driving around in Flintstones mobiles and have no breakdowns whatsoever,but what is the fun in that? We could be driving big NA engines, so we dont have these heavy and complicated turbos and intercooler setups hanging off the front of our cars, yet we choose to complicate the package because of the difference it makes to the driving experience.

What I think you are missing is the reason why these results are so exciting. It isn't the peak numbers alone that are impressive, nor is it the torque down low thats impressive, but the combination of both is something we have never seen before.

Show me a single turbo 4G63 out there that makes 400 ft lbs of tq at 3k and 900 on the top end, on any dyno, and then maybe I wont be impressed.

p.s. Norris has done lots of things that Buschur hasn't done.... The evo world in America is just a brief glimpse into the realm of the arenas that evo's compete in. Everywhere else in the world EVO's are race or rally cars, not drag cars.

Scorke

 

The AMS 42R kit is 7 grand so I think your right. 10k pounds is probably a safe bet.

Scorke

 

I believe this setup is being developed to reduce lag and improve torque low down. I'm sure you could get more top end bhp from a big single but it's all about improving low down torque. I'm sure Si would be more than happy to answer your questions if you contact him ...after all he could sell kits to you guys over the pond too

It's nice to haul *** out of a corner as well as down a drag strip

Anyways..if you're into drag racing... why use an Evo as a base car?

 

that 900 you keep quoting is likely less than 650 on bushur dyno. I am not missing anything here. if owning a 900hp four cylinder was fun we would all have one. fact of the matter is they break too much and cost to much to be any kind of fun at all. even Norris says he will be offering this setup in kit form at the 5-600hp level. In a world where it is hard to keep these cars running at anything over about 450hp I dont see the point in creating more unreliability earlier in the climb for HP. I am the the guy with a shop that can build these types of setups. I have watched and read up on the results of all of them I can find. If I thought it would be worth the effort to develop on one of my cars it would have been done long ago. it simply is not worth the complexity in my opinion.

 

And actually you will find virtually no parts arriving here from the UK. Its not that they dont make some good stuff. the horrible exchange rate makes purchases from that part of the world prohibitively expensive. That ss205 turbo costs about 2600 to get one here as a perfect example.

 

The Turbo technics s205 is a cracking little turbo. There isn't much point you guys importing one as you have the FP series... green red etc. You should buy the one that offers the best reliabilty and customer support... for us it's the s205... for you it has to be a FP series.

 

You can make all these dyno comparisons but untill we actually find out what it makes on a chassis dyno its all just a guessing game.

The facts are, Norris's time attack car makes 920 hp and has ran 9.2 at 160mph on Nitto 555R tires. It weighs 2600 lbs dry.

I highly doubt any of the cars over here are running significantly faster with less power, more weight, or worse tires. I don't follow the drag scene much but let me know if there are cars over here running that fast at that weight on a drag biased street tire.

AMS makes a dry sump system that costs 5 grand. I bet somebody with some basic engineering and or fabrication experience could slap one together for less,but your paying for far more than just the product. Your paying for the R&D, testing, and effort put into producing the piece.


Regarding not seeing a point for increasing power down low, well if you don't understand the appeal then don't buy it. It's not worth the complexity to you because you don't have the money to afford to buy, design, engineer, or fabricate it. For those to whom cost is not a primary concern this is a no-compromise option for them. At the end of the day if you don't understand the appeal of this product then don't buy it, but just because it doesnt suite YOUR NEEDS doesn't mean its a bad product.


Scorke

 

this engine is not norris's for his car its for a customers street car

 

The world does not revolve around Buschur's stupid low reading Mustang dyno or Project Whatever The F. Buschur has a "C" in it by the way. Norris has something cool on their hands and you can't seem to get off Buschurs dic.