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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 09:16 PM
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Yes IWG. Probably going to have English Racing build all the supporting parts. Trying to avoid having the swap out the radiator that is required with the FR kit.

My goal is full boost by 3700 rpm in 3rd gear and 530-540 whp.
If you extrapolate from the Subaru results, it doesn't seem like that will be a problem at all .

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I like that collector. Seems like it will save a bunch of effort for building a manifold.

All the EFR turbos are very long. While the dimensional specs on the 7163 have yet to be released, the TS T4 IWG version will likely be 10" end-to-end just like the 6758. I'm pretty sure that wont fit in a bottom mount configuration, even with the turbo tilted a bit to try to make room for the DP. The TS T4 EWG will probably be 8.5". Since FR has been able to do a bottom mount with the 7670 and 8374 EWG, should be even easier to do this one in bottom mount.
As far as I know, there isn't an EWG T4 divided option available for the 7163 at this time.
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 09:36 PM
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Very cool, I may have a solution for your radiator.
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RWD4G63
If you extrapolate from the Subaru results, it doesn't seem like that will be a problem at all .

As far as I know, there isn't an EWG T4 divided option available for the 7163 at this time.
do you mean jeff perrin's results on an early version with a single scroll 0.64a/r? boost-for-boost, it came in about 20 whp below a 7670 in the 450 whp. the best believable dj result i've seen on a 7670 with full supporting mods on a built motor is 575 whp. putting those two tidbits together gives me my 530 whp guess. have you seen any other results?

there is a SS v-band EWG version. no T4 TS as you said. i forgot.

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Very cool, I may have a solution for your radiator.
text me some time.
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
do you mean jeff perrin's results on an early version with a single scroll 0.64a/r? boost-for-boost, it came in about 20 whp below a 7670 in the 450 whp. the best believable dj result i've seen on a 7670 with full supporting mods on a built motor is 575 whp. putting those two tidbits together gives me my 530 whp guess. have you seen any other results?

there is a SS v-band EWG version. no T4 TS as you said. i forgot.
I'm talking about the Subaru Stock location T3 results with 2013 release 7163.

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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 01:22 PM
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Has anyone thought of or tried forward facing one of these turbos?

In particular the 8374 or 9180?
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
I have a feeling its going to be at least another month before I get it, and even that might be wishful thinking.
Did you get your turbo yet?
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 03:51 PM
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Did you get your turbo yet?
Not yet. Last update from Geoff was mid-March at the earliest.
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonba
Has anyone thought of or tried forward facing one of these turbos?

In particular the 8374 or 9180?
I'd think with the length of these, clocking the whole assembly to be front facing would definitely have some packaging concerns.
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonba
Has anyone thought of or tried forward facing one of these turbos?

In particular the 8374 or 9180?
Yes, FFtec did it a few years ago. I think there's pics in this thread somewhere.
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 10:07 PM
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Here it is, TS FF, nice build!

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ml#post9314306
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Old Feb 13, 2014 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tonba
Has anyone thought of or tried forward facing one of these turbos?

In particular the 8374 or 9180?
I looked at doing it with a 8374 and I don't think it was going to be possible with a 3" downpipe at least in a standard FF location. The turbo is just so damn long!
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 08:52 PM
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Got a baseline dyno pull on my Evo. BW efr 8374 at 26psi e-85 ended up getting 445hp/335tq uncorrected(mustang dyno)



Here's a link to the dyno pull

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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave W.
The one FFTEC did was single scroll T3 iirc
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by khmerpimpin
The one FFTEC did was single scroll T3 iirc
whoops! You're right, it's right there in the pics.
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 03whitegsr
Are the EFRs proving reliable? There are only a very few evos running them. What communities are pushing the EFR turbos hard at this point?
Abuse testing, maybe it was rhetorical but I thought I'd share either way.

As far as beating on the turbo, I think I have that one on lock with my 6258 equipped Yamaha. Before you discount it because its the 6258, let me explain why.

A Yamaha Raptor 700R runs 7psi oil pressure stock. We mod the pump and get 10-11psi at full pressure and basically 1 at idle. It is a 2 quart system with no oil cooler that also lubes/cools the clutch and transmission

I do watercool the center but it has 3 quarts of water between the turbo and the motor. Normal operating temp is 200-210 and the fan kicks on at 225*F.

My quad makes 103whp and has just over 110 hours on the turbo. For a car to match the amount of full throttle and full boost that my bike sees it would need a similar amount of time on a road course. I change the oil every other ride and I normally get 24-25hours per 3 day weekend of riding (I love to ride and spend more time on the quad than in camp). I run E98 which of course leads to diluted oil over time which is why I change it frequently.

The turbo single cylinder design inherently runs in boost at cruise. I am only running 12psi or so but it cruises at 2-3 and it does this non stop. The only time its not in boost is either decel or idle.

If the smallest bearing housing available has proven reliable under these conditions I really have no concerns about a larger center section with "normal" driving and cooling/lubrication systems.

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