need some advice... black or green?
need some advice... black or green?
Hey guys,
I currently have an fp black on my car tuned at 26 psi. It made about 410 whp on english racings dyno. I am still on the stock block/head/cams. As far as other mods go I have FIC 950 injectors with the walbro, ets 3.5"and turboback, 3.5"and frontmount with all hard piping, speed density with omni 4bar, forge wga. That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
My problem with the fp black is I feel it is a little too laggy for my liking.
I also have a set of greddy 264 cams.
My questions are:
Would the cams help my spool at all?
Would a hta green with the cams be a better street setup?
And finally, are the 264's even worth it or should I go 272's?
TIA!
I currently have an fp black on my car tuned at 26 psi. It made about 410 whp on english racings dyno. I am still on the stock block/head/cams. As far as other mods go I have FIC 950 injectors with the walbro, ets 3.5"and turboback, 3.5"and frontmount with all hard piping, speed density with omni 4bar, forge wga. That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
My problem with the fp black is I feel it is a little too laggy for my liking.
I also have a set of greddy 264 cams.
My questions are:
Would the cams help my spool at all?
Would a hta green with the cams be a better street setup?
And finally, are the 264's even worth it or should I go 272's?
TIA!
Incidentally, is this on a Subie or an Evo? If it's an Evo, then tell us if it is a IX or an VIII. Don't be so stingy with the info if you are seeking informed responses.
Is your FP Black turbo configured with the BB cartridge? Or, is it the older style journal bearing Black turbo? Do you have an upgraded fuel pump? Are you running the stock diverter valve?
Is your FP Black turbo configured with the BB cartridge? Or, is it the older style journal bearing Black turbo? Do you have an upgraded fuel pump? Are you running the stock diverter valve?
Last edited by sparky; Sep 15, 2011 at 09:01 PM.
It kinda will depend on what you are gonna use your car for mostly. You hinted at street driving and I assume on pump gas(92 octane?). You may want to consider selling the journal bearing Black and getting a BB HTA Green instead for a mean pumpgas Mivec car.
The IX with an unported head does not benefit as much from camshaft upgrades as the VIII does. I might just stick with the stock cams and a BB HTA Green and have Aaron tune the car for E-85. This would be a killer street setup and you would need a new clutch.
The IX with an unported head does not benefit as much from camshaft upgrades as the VIII does. I might just stick with the stock cams and a BB HTA Green and have Aaron tune the car for E-85. This would be a killer street setup and you would need a new clutch.
I only use the car for strret driving. I am pretty gentle with it and want to keep it reliable. I am not sure I want to go with e 85 on my setup yet...I had an 08 sti on e 85. Where I got my e 85 from wasn't very consistent with their blends. So an I don't want to have to get a new tune each time they change their blend. Would it be outragious to ask for any cash on top of someones bb hta green? Now much would you ask for?
I was gonna trade my hta green for a black a couple months ago. Im glad I didnt now lol. I would have been pissed if I had the jb black and then the dbb one came out. I havnt seen anything about a dbb upgrade for the greens yet. I am interested in this when it comes out.
You dont have to go e85 on the green. It will net you the most power, but, like you said you are wanting reliabiltly as well. This is why I am going back to 93 octane with my green. Sure e85 is gonna make more power, but I dont wanna be driving a ticking time bomb either lol.
I will be able to make mid 400s on pump with the green. While I could make almost 500 if not over on e85, then the tq is gonna be higher than I want as well, which is asking for trouble lol.
Plus with pump gas, you dont need such an expensive fuel setup. Thye green on pump is gonna make for an excellent car on stock motor. If you are a guy that wants to push the limits on stock block, def go e85, the turbo will love it, no doubt.
You dont have to go e85 on the green. It will net you the most power, but, like you said you are wanting reliabiltly as well. This is why I am going back to 93 octane with my green. Sure e85 is gonna make more power, but I dont wanna be driving a ticking time bomb either lol.
I will be able to make mid 400s on pump with the green. While I could make almost 500 if not over on e85, then the tq is gonna be higher than I want as well, which is asking for trouble lol.
Plus with pump gas, you dont need such an expensive fuel setup. Thye green on pump is gonna make for an excellent car on stock motor. If you are a guy that wants to push the limits on stock block, def go e85, the turbo will love it, no doubt.
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I've had both. The HTA Green spools like my Stock turbo did and made like 425 dynojet on pump. Plenty of room for growth as on E85 it did 500+ dynojet and trapped 129 full weight car. People have made even more power on it since then. If you're on pump only with a 2.0, and you want faster spool this would be a great idea.
The Black is obviously bigger and laggier, but the BB should be faster between shifts. Again, on a 2.0, I think the numbers on pump and the fact you have stock or smaller cams are going to make it be the reason you created this thread. If you're going to keep the black, get bigger cams and tune it on E85, it is all about combination, and the combination you have now of stock cams, pump gas, 2.0 and FP Black is not ideal.
I don't think you can go wrong with bigger cams, unless they are the BC ones that have been dyno proven to lose power over stock. you didn't mention what brand they are.
If I was on a stock 2.0 I'd go HTA Green and some GOOD cams, best powerband and response with what you have
Either one on E85 full out can kill a stock block, and you want to take that into consideration if you go that route.
If you are going to go E85 and want more top end, the Black is already in your possession you'll need cams and probably a built engine.
The Black is obviously bigger and laggier, but the BB should be faster between shifts. Again, on a 2.0, I think the numbers on pump and the fact you have stock or smaller cams are going to make it be the reason you created this thread. If you're going to keep the black, get bigger cams and tune it on E85, it is all about combination, and the combination you have now of stock cams, pump gas, 2.0 and FP Black is not ideal.
I don't think you can go wrong with bigger cams, unless they are the BC ones that have been dyno proven to lose power over stock. you didn't mention what brand they are.
If I was on a stock 2.0 I'd go HTA Green and some GOOD cams, best powerband and response with what you have
Either one on E85 full out can kill a stock block, and you want to take that into consideration if you go that route.
If you are going to go E85 and want more top end, the Black is already in your possession you'll need cams and probably a built engine.
Last edited by Liqquid; Oct 24, 2011 at 06:41 AM.