WTF am I missing?
#1
WTF am I missing?
Here is an email I sent to my tuner. I'm hoping he can find the reason my car hit fuel cut and that it's a clue to WTF is wrong with the car. I'm posting it here because it's surely mechanical and I'm drawing a blank as to what the problem could be. I'm also in a hurry because I LITERALLY registered for an HPDE the day before all this **** happened.
I will post the logs after my Tuner has a chance to review them. Here is the before and after dyno charts. I picked a couple of logs before and after the "incident". Peak power and torque seem mostly unaffected in regards to number and RPM.
It's just spooling lazy and maybe running a bit less boost.
Dead turbo?
The "incident" was my hearing a "pop" and the car did the "felt like it hit a wall" thing. i thought, for sure, that I lost a coupling. I got back on the gas a bit.. all seemed well, then i floored it again: another pop/wall. The only two times I've had a car do something like this was a coupling tearing a hole in itself or a turbo dying. Seeing how the car did the pop/wall thing twice in a row makes me feel a little better. Maybe. the car now drives without hesitation, but is slow to spool and AFRs are off.
***EDIT because I was sick and forgot a key part of the story. When I got the car home, I found the cap had come off the inside of the air filter. That's what damaged the MAF sensor. I had assumed the cap coming off resulted in change of air flow + damage to MAF = reason for my problem. I repaired the filter for testing purposes and swapped MAFs. No change.
Old and "new" MAF sensors:
EvoScanDataLog_2017.05.26_12.59.26 shows where the car seemed to hit fuel cut. Ever since then, the car is spooling slow and running rich. It happens at row 138.
EvoScanDataLog_2017.05.10_20.58.28 shows where the car was performing before.
EvoScanDataLog_2017.05.28_20.53.42 shows what the car is doing now.
I did a boost leak test up to 28-30psi with no leaks.
I swapped MAF sensors today. Doesn't seem to help at all. I attached pictures of both. Do I need to disconnect the battery to let the car relearn or anything?
I'm stumped. Ideas?
EvoScanDataLog_2017.05.10_20.58.28 shows where the car was performing before.
EvoScanDataLog_2017.05.28_20.53.42 shows what the car is doing now.
I did a boost leak test up to 28-30psi with no leaks.
I swapped MAF sensors today. Doesn't seem to help at all. I attached pictures of both. Do I need to disconnect the battery to let the car relearn or anything?
I'm stumped. Ideas?
It's just spooling lazy and maybe running a bit less boost.
Dead turbo?
The "incident" was my hearing a "pop" and the car did the "felt like it hit a wall" thing. i thought, for sure, that I lost a coupling. I got back on the gas a bit.. all seemed well, then i floored it again: another pop/wall. The only two times I've had a car do something like this was a coupling tearing a hole in itself or a turbo dying. Seeing how the car did the pop/wall thing twice in a row makes me feel a little better. Maybe. the car now drives without hesitation, but is slow to spool and AFRs are off.
***EDIT because I was sick and forgot a key part of the story. When I got the car home, I found the cap had come off the inside of the air filter. That's what damaged the MAF sensor. I had assumed the cap coming off resulted in change of air flow + damage to MAF = reason for my problem. I repaired the filter for testing purposes and swapped MAFs. No change.
Old and "new" MAF sensors:
Last edited by kaj; Jun 1, 2017 at 10:37 AM.
#4
Evolved Member
did you check the plugs?
sounds like bad plugs...
sounds like bad plugs...
#5
EvoM Guru
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Hi Kaj,
I had exactly the same problem recently and ended up replacing the MAF. The giveaway is the drop in load. Check to see if there is a corresponding drop in MAF Hz to confirm.
I pulled my old MAF apart to see if I could see any damaged electrical components. They all looked good. My conclusion was that the mechanical components, mirror and support had worn or become damaged, (190k on them), because it didn't respond correctly when the Karmen vortices hit it at over 800 Hz.
I got a remanufactured MAF here http://www.ebay.com/itm/121582998632 and it works great.
I had exactly the same problem recently and ended up replacing the MAF. The giveaway is the drop in load. Check to see if there is a corresponding drop in MAF Hz to confirm.
I pulled my old MAF apart to see if I could see any damaged electrical components. They all looked good. My conclusion was that the mechanical components, mirror and support had worn or become damaged, (190k on them), because it didn't respond correctly when the Karmen vortices hit it at over 800 Hz.
I got a remanufactured MAF here http://www.ebay.com/itm/121582998632 and it works great.
#8
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (1)
Plugs wont cause that drop in load that you have.
#9
All four plugs. Three where gapped at .22, one was .25+
Looks like the iridium tips are still on all four.
I swapped in some Denso plugs I had laying around. DC'ed the battery for a while to reset the ECU so it can relearn the MAF.
We'll see.
Looks like the iridium tips are still on all four.
I swapped in some Denso plugs I had laying around. DC'ed the battery for a while to reset the ECU so it can relearn the MAF.
We'll see.
#10
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (1)
Dude. Those plugs look like they have 30k miles on them. Did you not replace them with the short block? You told me they were new on FB chat...LOL
Also, you're using WAY WAY WAY WAY too much anti-seize on the plugs. You only need a dab. It spreads well.
Also, you're using WAY WAY WAY WAY too much anti-seize on the plugs. You only need a dab. It spreads well.
#12
Densos are gapped at .22 and in. Still no change.
Gary says to lean the map out and see what happens. Mechanically, I can find NOTHING wrong other than a LICP coupling that had a couple cracks but didn't go all the way through. I ordered a new one.
When you have a boost leak.. wouldn't the load increase, not decrease?
I'm sick again, so I'm high on cold meds and probably missing something obvious LOL.
#13
Evolved Member
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I didn't put the plugs in, but was told he put the new ones in there. If he didn't then a new set got thrown away. That would be about my luck LOL. If these are the old plugs, they will have about 3500mi on them.
Densos are gapped at .22 and in. Still no change.
Gary says to lean the map out and see what happens. Mechanically, I can find NOTHING wrong other than a LICP coupling that had a couple cracks but didn't go all the way through. I ordered a new one.
When you have a boost leak.. wouldn't the load increase, not decrease?
Two tests. I checked all vacuum lines a couple times. None of them are leaking, assuming I'd notice with the TB closed.
I'm sick again, so I'm high on cold meds and probably missing something obvious LOL.
Densos are gapped at .22 and in. Still no change.
Gary says to lean the map out and see what happens. Mechanically, I can find NOTHING wrong other than a LICP coupling that had a couple cracks but didn't go all the way through. I ordered a new one.
When you have a boost leak.. wouldn't the load increase, not decrease?
Two tests. I checked all vacuum lines a couple times. None of them are leaking, assuming I'd notice with the TB closed.
I'm sick again, so I'm high on cold meds and probably missing something obvious LOL.
Great product and customer service!
#14
Cmon man, use a boost leak tester, I thought ive checked all lines before too. I highly recommend http://turboboostleaktesters.com/evo...big-16g-turbo/
Great product and customer service!
Great product and customer service!
plus, I made my tester and I think it's prettier.