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RazorLab Mar 5, 2008 04:11 PM

Ceramic Cat vs. 100 cell Metal Substrate Cat
 
So, have another cat comparison! :)

Had a Evo owner come in today for a retune because he was swapping his Works ceramic cat to a 100 cell Metal Substrate Cat.

I've tuned a couple cars already with the 100 cell and have been impressed as they make pretty good power.

Today's comparison was a good confirmation for me.

Dotted lines are with the ceramic cat, solid lines are with the 100 cell Metal Substrate high flow cat:

http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...VS_100cell.jpg

+14whp / +14wtq peak gains Plus large gains in spool up and gains in every point of the power curve. Very nice! :)

Here is the boost plot between the two.

Dotted lines are with the ceramic cat, solid lines are with the 100 cell Metal Substrate high flow cat:

http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...00cell_BST.jpg

I tuned in approx the same amount of boost at peak torque, through the midrange, and the 100 cell allowed more boost up top, 6500 to 7000 rpm. Before on the ceramic cat, the boost was maxed out at 100%. So the 100 cell cat did relieve a good amount of back pressure from the system. As you can see in the chart, this helped with spool and sustaining more boost up top.

This was a Evo 8 with a TME turbo and works cams.

chmodlf Mar 5, 2008 04:15 PM

How efficient do you think the 100 cell cats are on the emissions side of the equation. I realize that they make less back pressure than higher cell cats and are better than a test pipe in terms of emissions. What does your nose tell you?

Again you are providing some really great info. We love it.

EVO8emUp Mar 5, 2008 05:19 PM

I tried out a 100 cell and got a CEL every every once in a while. I don't know if this is common or just an isolated incident.

burgers22 Mar 5, 2008 05:21 PM

I don't know how our emission tests in the UK compare to those in the US, but my 100 cel gets through our yearly test with no problems, the tester said it was way inside the limits.

MB

c kim Mar 5, 2008 05:29 PM

Do you know where one could get their hands on a 100 cel hfc?

Inprogress Mar 5, 2008 06:37 PM

^^ +1 for that!

Razorlab,

Any comparisons between a test pipe and a 100 cell cat?

Aby@MIL.SPEC Mar 5, 2008 06:39 PM

wow- i like how you gain power throughout the entire rev range {thumbup}

now if all mods offered those gains :eek:

*sam* Mar 5, 2008 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Inprogress (Post 5369886)
^^ +1 for that!

Razorlab,

Any comparisons between a test pipe and a 100 cell cat?


+1

Can't wait to see the difference between TP and 100 Cell cat!

Erik@MIL.SPEC Mar 5, 2008 06:43 PM

100 Cell MIL.SPEC Race Cat FTMFW :D

As to emissions, I can't make any promises. We are also in the process of getting aquiring some 200 cell cats that have EPA certification in 48 states. They'll flow less, but they should meet emissions standards (baring some really aggressive cams, etc).

Once in awhile when I'm logging my car I throw a CEL (Normally I have a CReader in my OBD2 port). Nothing a simple mechanical CEL fix won't solve. If I understand the PGM coatings used on the 200 cell, CEL's shouldn't be a problem.

PM me for any questions.

MR Turco Mar 6, 2008 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by atlvalet (Post 5369921)
100 Cell Cat vendor status coming soon :D.

Would you be selling just the cat or a direct replacement (flanged for the evo)?

chmodlf Mar 6, 2008 06:24 AM

I saw that he used to just sell the cat without flanges before. Don't know if this would continue.

I bet that if someone would sell a bolt on 100 cell cat they could make some $$$$$s.

travman Mar 6, 2008 06:44 AM

I'm ready for the 100 cell vs. test pipe test

nils Mar 6, 2008 06:54 AM

nice!!

this is the cat to have in street tire time attack class!

n

Jeff_Jeske Mar 6, 2008 08:41 AM

^ or a gutted one.

Erik@MIL.SPEC Mar 6, 2008 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by chmodlf (Post 5371567)
I saw that he used to just sell the cat without flanges before. Don't know if this would continue.

I bet that if someone would sell a bolt on 100 cell cat they could make some $$$$$s.

Bolt-on unit available in the next 30 days :)


Like I said, I am not vending presently but keep you eyes peeled to the Vendor Announcement section :)


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