Carrillo vs Manley
 

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y not the manley I beam?

i faced the same decision and i went with the manley turbo tuffs ! not only are they proven to work but there proven to work with some of the highest hp evos in the world! all in all it comes down to prerence both rods are of highest quality!

I would go with Manley just because it's a cool sounding name, sounds like your rods might come with chest hair or help you hold an erection longer.

You could call up Carrillo. Give them a sporting chance. Say, "Can you explain to me why your rods are superior to Manley's? Why should I go with your product?". See if they have some amazing answer that impresses you.

Are you certain both are the same price? If so, it's a no brainer.

Manley's H-beam rods are forged in China, and typically sells for around $350 or so per set.

Carrillo's H-beam rod for the EVO is U.S. made and typically sells for around $1000 per set.


If you can choose either for the same price, which would you prefer? The answer should be easy. To be honest with you, I wouldn't even consider a Chinese-made rod, at any price, but that's just me.

i think he's refering to these http://www.maperformance.com/manley-...se-7-bolt.html

Manley's I-beams are USA made, unlike the H-beams. I do not know the mass of these rods, but anything greater than around 600g is heavier than what I'd like.

How about none of the above!

Go with Groden aluminum rods...high HP rods

The manley 300M alloy rods I don't really know but I think Buschur and aMS starts using them for some builds. Over 600 grams I think per rod.

The most commonly used I-beam turb tuff which are monsters of rods are selling around 600 dollars but they are over 100 gr heavier than the carrillos.

The carrillos which I chose for my motor are around 570 gr in weight and I opted to get the carr rods bolts. Quite expensive of coursE but always you get what you pay for!

I'm a little uneasy about using alum rods for street use (although i realize allot of people do). I'm leaning towards Carrillo's, the Manley Pro Series 300m's are "I" beams and made in USA so i know there a good rod as well.

I was reading a few other threads on rods, but they're a bit dated so i thought i would ask a more specific question. Anyway thanks for the help

http://www.maperformance.com/maperfo...-5900mit7.html these look promising.

What WHP is your goal with this engine? I ask because Manley 300M can be an overkill, and probably you can go with the lighter Carrillo Pro-H {thumbup}

go with the manley.

I went with carrillo. They are the bees-knees here...

Well Im pretty sure he said 300m which are not the eagle look alikes..

I would choose carillo because without even knowing ill bet they are lighter for sure and just as strong.. easier for us to give advice if we know your goals with the car and HP / RPM etc..

Mike

Ya i should have been more descriptive. I'm building the motor for 600+ WHP 94 octane ( i can't get E85). Engine is being matched to a 6262 ...etc. But ya i think i'm going to go with the Carillos they seem to have an excellent rep.

i went with map ultimate billet rods,they are heavy 652g,but love the idea of running early 4g63 wider bearings

whats the size difference between 7bolt and 6 bolt bearings ?

Rods are as strong as the crank they rotate on.

manley...i have built alot of motors and i have never had a problem with manley rods in anything i have ever build dom/import

I am in the same quest today.
Which of these two should I buy?
Manley 300m or Carrillo???

Specs of my Evo IX????

Engine mods:
2.0lt ,
K1 crank,
Rods ????????? (I will use ARP custom age 625+ rod bolts and I'll get rid the OEM... I have them anyway)
JE BR specs pistons,
Cosworth head,
Tomei 280 cams,
4 channel Sparktech COP,
Motec M800 ECU,
PT6765 turbo kit,
HKS Kansai manifold with Q45 TB,
HKS 4" IC
ACL Race series bearings
etc,etc.
Shep trans 5 speed
Shep transfer w/ LSD,
Shep RS from EvoIX diff w/ cusco LSD,
DSS axles,
AMS push style triple cerametallic clutch kit.

Carrillo 567 gram. 1000+ whp
Manley 685 gram. 1300+ whp
Cosworth 548 gram. 1000+ whp

Cosworth and Carrillo are straight H beal.
Manley is I beam.

You'd be well advised to do a little more reading on aluminium rods in general, and Groden 4g63 rods in specific. Take a look at the English Racing photos of a Groden rod that failed at the threads, then come back and discuss...

Good info on the rods, but those power figures don't mean much. A 2000whp 5.0L V8 is approximately the same specific output as a 800whp 2.0L 4-cyl.

These power advertisements is for the Evo rod kits.
So what would you choose?
Carrillo or Cos?

I know of a recent instance whereby a Cosworth EVO rod snapped in half unexpectedly, so I find no reason to consider those. Actually, I'm not sure that I would consider any very lightweight H-beam rod for a high hp application where someone is going to take it out and beat it to the ragged edge with >400+whp/L, but that's just me. If I had to choose between Cosworth and Carrillo, I definitely choose Carrillo. I know who makes Carrillo's rods. I don't know who makes Cosworth's rods.

From what I understand, you should also consider the fact that many "American" rods don't use North American steel. They use less expensive material from South American foundries. And 548 grams seems light for a rod that's supposed to handle 1000whp. That's a commentary on the weight, not on the company. Just my 2¢.

Manley's = Heavy

http://www.manleyperformance.com/sc/...g63_rods.shtml

carrillo = light weight steel

http://www.carrilloind.com/LinkClick...vg%3d&tabid=60

GRP = Light weight Alum

http://www.grpconrods.com/

why not go wth an oliver rod??

go with manley I beam. Used them before and using them in my build right now. Its a great quality rod. Little heavy but ill take that from a rod that i know will last.

The thing i like about the Manley is it's and I beam construction, and there's no doubt that is a stronger design. The weight puts me off a bit, but with that being said I’m not revving the car past 7800 on occasionally maybe 8100 rpm.

It’s bugging me because I’m just sitting on my funds wondering which way to go. I’m not even thinking about alum rods, even though some people stand by them, they make me uneasy with the fatigue issues they can have.

I was going with Carillo’s….but now I’m thinking “I” beam Manley….****

What this guy said. Have you looked into Olivers?

So what is the issue with Groden Aluminum rods ? What is the most widely recommended rod for a 2.0L that will be pushing 600whp and revving to 8500 + rpm ?

From what I've seen, they tend to fail after a relatively short period of usage and should be considered a seasonal racing item.

There is no single, most widely recommended rod for such an application. There are several viable options. My personal preference gravitates toward CNC 4340 or 300M low-mass I-beams for this type of app, but one could use any number of rods with equal reliability and results.

^^ Thanks Ted! Regarding your personal preferences, are there brands you like (e.g. consistent quality, tech support, R&D, etc.) ?

Not that this matters, but i went with the 300M "I" beam Manley's, so once there in the motor i shall see. But since it's a rarity for quality Rods to fail of any brand i think i should be ok

I believe either 2.1 or 2.4 mm wider. The locating tang is also wider, which I like. The other thing to keep in mind is how the added width affects how long the oil will stay in the rod journal because it cannot escape as easily from the chanfer around the big end of the rod.

1146= 1G (6 bolt)
1185= 2G/EVO (7 bolt)

can find em all here for a decent price! i will be going with the carrillo h beam
http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...onnecting+Rods

Any updates ? :thumbup:

Confused on which is stronger? I beam turbo or 300m alloy...

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evolution-Evo-4-5-6-7-8-9-IV-V-VI-VII-VIII-IX-rods.html

My guys in puerto rico use carillo its highrr end and you can rev them high...bearings take less of a beating

Cant go wrong wih either

Carillo also offers a life time warramty iirc