How much power will my setup make [Mega Merge]
 

Please post in this thread to discuss how much power your evo will make on some setup. Any other threads started on this subject will be trashed.

Disclaimer - No person can accurately know what a setup will make on different cars. Please assume everything is an assumption and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Thanks,
MR Turco

hello everybody hope you are fine. i own a 2003 evo8 and live in Pakistan. i have ordered some stuff and was thinking that how much hp will it produce on its max boost and approx how much time it will it be in quarter mile. Here in Pakistan we dont have a dyno so all tuning will be done on road. we have 91 octane here and temp is around 30 degree celcius. the list of my stuff is as follows.. plz dont spoil my thread bec i need guidance from you people because i am new to this modification stuff. thankx alot waiting for your replies.

1.TURBO PRCESSION 6265
2.TWIN SCROLL FULL RACE MANIFOld
3.FULL RACE DOWN PIPE
4.WASTE GATE TWIN 44MM
5.precision INJECTORS 1200CC
6.POWER FC DEJETRO WITH COMMANDER & SENSORS
7.SLIM FAN
8.ETS INTERCOOLER
9.CAM SHAFT SET kalford 280
10.PISTON SET visko
11.CONECTING ROD manley
12.cometic HEADGASKIT
13.SUPERTECH VALVE SPRING RETAINERS
14.FULL BLOWN TWIN FUEL PUMPS
15.skunk2 intake manifold
16.SPRAKTECK IGNITION SYSTEM
17.DEFI GUAGES 4PCS WITH LINK UNIT
21.MAIN AND CRANK BEARING ACL
22.CAM GEARS SKUNK2
23.ARP HEADSTUDS
24.PIPE KIT ETS
25.hks blow off valve
26.avcr boost controller
27.hks twin clutch
28.greddy evo2 catback exhaust system
29.Tien lowering springs

waiting for replies.

Every car is different so the power varies differently. \:

^ Agreed.

It depends on many factors,

Your tune will be a huge factor, is 95oct the same over there as it is here?

How much boost can you run on it before knocking?

Id say if you can find some C16 over there and can run upwards of 30psi it would be in the neighborhood of 600-650whp. But then again im not good at bench dyno'ing. Your part descriptions are very vague so who know what it will be. Only doing it will tell.

6265 same as the 850r? I'd say 600-750whp. on race gas of course.. 500ish on pump.

some more replies needed please so i can get an estimate that my car will be like what whp? and can anybody tell that approx how much time will it be on quarter mile. anyone who knows about this stuff will be able to answer my question better. thanks for replies bro
waiting for more.

we here have 93 octane which is the normal fuel and the other is 95 which we call the hi-ocatane. hi-ocatane is used in sports cars. ( i mean its considered as a better fuel )

Also consider which dyno you're gonna pull your car on. Mustang to Jet, the numbers will look real different, so that's another consideration you should remember as well.
You want butt numbers, Mustang or a Dynamics. Want some bragging numbers Jet. :)

we dont have a dyno in Pakistan.
:(

better invest in a Gtech pro or dynolicious for the iphone. the iphone is VERY accurate.. The power will be there though, sounds like a solid setup..

Tuning will be a little bit of a challenge.

yeah tuning would be very difficult and challenging. so any answers to what i asked?

All the responses are the same.. 1/4 mile will vary depending on driver, tires etc.

i need more replies :( any advices?

how many more you need? seriously..

i need more advices bro? that is there anything more i should add

About 700HP on good fuel and decent boost...

.

can anybody tell me that if there a 700hp 6speed car and the person converts it to 5 speed than does it make a lot of difference? a little explanation would help.

bump

The PTE 6265 is the same like HTA86 ? Same specs ???

My guess with that long list of part's you have 1000hp just around there.

lol

Shark are you really selling it?

Scorke

Would like to move on to a new project, but if she doesn't sell, I'll just keep enjoy it {thumbup}

??

take a shot at this setup:)

80mm red
ppi ported ex manni
walboro + 950cc
3'' br tbe (catless)
4'' ic kit
map o2 dump
perrin intake
mbc @ 23 psi with 93 oct

edit: more info added

you bought a red???

That setup on Epic's dyno...probably around 400whp with stock cams...

No, there is no extra loss or gain switching from a 6 speed to a 5 speed. All you gain is reliability.

On a dynojet, mid to high 300s at 23psi. I dont normally see over 400whp until past 26psi.

Example-

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...sh-racing.html

This one was at 27ish despite the report by the owner it was 26.

Edit: 23 psi??? Come on man...You have headstuds too...run at least 26psi with that setup...

no i don't have it :( just yet, but just trying to get some opinions on what it would do at @ 23.

I am curious as to why 23psi? Seems to be a benchmark these days, just not sure why :)

just to play it safe to be honest. no ref. atleast in my case.

I'll look for all the 23psi runs I have on Reds and post some stuff tomorrow or tuesday then {thumbup}

cheers man:beer:

can anybody compare a gt35r and a precision 6265? which is more powerful? spools better? which gt series is 6265 equal to?

400whp on 91 octane with about 22-23psi of boost

Didnt really have a 23psi pull I could find that I could say I knew was a red for sure. This one I did yesterday so i know exactly what one it was. I will get a little more in detail with my license plate to mod list.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...c/24psired.jpg

thanks for the graph john. so i assume this was done on stock boost level (tough to tell from the graph)? and do u know if the owner was using an mbc or the stock solenoid?
that is some nice power btw

AEM tru boost, boost falling from 24 peak to 21.5ish out the top with a timing map you can run 91 on if you want.

removed so hp gods wont read (incase they can read)

search some.

Do you know Khalid Naeem in Lahore? He has a massively fast Evo (8 I think), and can probably offer local help and advise (Unless you guys are major street racing rivals already!). His sign-in is "Khalid" on evom. He makes in the 500+ range with Bushur 35R turbo etc. Here is a youtube vid from his page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx3cVuMOCsI

John, may I ask what hardware do you have on that car making this much power? I guess I read FP red, what cams and other mods do you have in there?


PEACE
NAB

Nab,

That one was stock bottom end, Cosworth M2s (not my favorite), Speed density, FIC 850s, EnglishRacing intake pipe, ETS intercooler and intercooler pipings, Buschur exhaust I believe, and a TiTek O2 housing as far as I can remember.

Another one of those "how much threads..."
 

2006 Evolution IX MR 30k on the motor.
How much should I make on my current setup with an FP Black.

TBE 3" exhaust
Ported turbo manifold
DNP port 02 housing
DTM 3.5" FMIC
ETS IC piping (ordering soon)
Ported intake manifold
ported/blueprinted head
Cosworth M3's (280/272)
will be getting 65mm throttle body
stock block

I know I'll need injectors to complete my setup but just want to know how much I should expect. Trying to decide between getting an HTA35R kit or an FP Black. The car is being built for track and weekend street cruises. It is not a daily driver for the most part.

Depends on how much boost you're planning to run and how hard you want to push that stock block.

I don't like posting in this section because not that many people visit it. I understand why it was moved but posting here will take days for responses to come through.

why doesn't someone knowledgeable make a "how to" thread for "how to get 400whp" or "how to get 450 or 500...etc.

of course the hp ratings would be approximate, but would help to inform noobs like myself of all the things(including the little ones) to safely achieve a certain hp level. I know these lists would vary slightly between VIII's and IX's.

my friend has an srt-4 and they have a sticky thread on how to get 300whp on the stock turbo.

there has to be plenty of experienced shop owners that could make close estimates of what mods would be needed.

^^^ a very good advice

400whp+ can be achieved easily by

fp green / bbk
3" TBE
Forge rs bov
Hallman pro mbc
Walbro255
880 inj
LICP

Thats basically all it takes. a non restrictive exhaust + enough fuel delivery + more airflow (bigger turbo) + proper tuning + no boost leaks

Then for tuning

ECUFlash
Tephra mod
Evoscan + datacable
Wideband

Then id put tbolts on the piping for reassurance.

you could probably hit 400 on stock evo 9 turbo also with good cams added to the list.

This is a great start.

On DSMTalk.com they also have a stickey on how to get 400 HP. Perhaps the powers that be could do that here as well.

-Shane

excellent

yea, lets get a list for 500whp up here.

I'm slowing finding out that 500whp requires a built motor, especially if you're asking for that much power on a mustang dyno. I have every supporting mod to make 500whp on a mustang dyno, but I'm afraid the torque is going to kill my stock 2.0L.

great info...

My friend made 620 whp on pump gas at 31psi...Also 500 whp is fine on a stock block with a good tune.

Your friend is on borrowed time. and is that on a mustang or a dynojet? how many miles? It's not about tune you can't beat physics.

^whats the "standard" for safe whp/wtq on a stock block?

Most would say no more than 400wtq on a mustang dyno. It's about the material and manufacturing processes. I'm pretty sure that the stock rods are cast steel and the FCC structure of the material is not strong enough to handle more tq for endured use.

Hp should not matter (of course proper tuning plays a role), but with hp you are going to make tq and tq = force x area and thus eventually the connecting rod will snap. It' sees bending forces and that's why when you exam a broken con rod it usually has an angle leading up to the broken part. I blew my first motor on 420wtq btw.

good to know, im debating replacing rods and pistons and arp bolts for first mods...cylinder walls should be good for a good while right? trying to get a fast DD but make sure i get longevity also. its tough going from a little civic hatch to an evo...anything over 200 whp is fast for a civic lol


thanks for the info!

what turbo and psi were u running b4 u blew ur motor?

GT3071R + Meth, 28lbs.

Nice thread

most of my mods are in my sig...

the car will also have...

950cc injectors, walbro 255, tubular man, forge rs bov, and i need to get a licp also.

the fp red is the 64mm and it will be ported when i put it on. im curious what numbers i can expect but also, how much the stock intercooler is going to hold me back. i do plan on buying an ams fmic eventually, but its going to be a while before i can afford to do so. any input would be much appreciated. i think i covered everything but if theres anything left out please let me know. thanks

anybody wanna take a guess? lol nobody?

suggestions:
1) make sure ur hks tbe is a true 3'' cuz i heard some of them are not. so this might hold u back.
2) get urself a licp, those are known to make few hp's

what psi are u planning on running with the red?

400whp-

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...road-race.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...highlight=jeri
Can't find the link but made 424 @ 26psi on a BBK as well using the above basic formula

450whp-

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...370ft-lbs.html

500whp-

This used meth and 30psi to make 512/406
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...lack-pump.html

Built 2.4 and straight 92
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...t=black+octane

400 ft lbs on a dyno jet seems safe for 95% of cars, I have lost rods at 380 and been out to 430 on others. I like to run the rough average and call it 400.

574whp-

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ne-3586-a.html

1 WHP :-) I would say somewhere around 600 is realistic. Also every dyno is so different and the setting they select

[quote=detroit pistins;7955694]suggestions:
1) make sure ur hks tbe is a true 3'' cuz i heard some of them are not. so this might hold u back.
2) get urself a licp, those are known to make few hp's

what psi are u planning on running with the red?[/quote

yea i actually heard that but it is a 3 inch. definitely looking into a licp. just got a forge rs bov too because i wanted be sure it was going to hold the psi i plan on running and i dont think the stock one would. Im planning on 24-26psi i think. im kinda leaning towards 24 just to be safe

i'd be very content with 400-450 on a dynojet. i havent decided on a tuner yet, i'm either going to buschur or cbrd so whatever numbers i get will be on a mustang dyno so i'm expecting them to be on the low side.

One thing about the above listed links. All of those cars use cams that make power with the exception of one of them (in my opinion). All of them except the 2.4 where it is noted that it is built are stock bottom ends. In the case of the 574whp link, that is completely stock shortblock and had only cams and springs in the head other than the bolt ons.

speaking of cams, i havent really read much into them but the 272's should match pretty well with the red....right?

I like both the S1s and S2s. I am pretty picky about cam engineering having done it for myself for a long time. Greg has products that are well engineered and exceed even my picky standards. We have a few Reds listed there that use S1s but the BBK build can substitute a Red and make the same power. I have a Red equipped VIII that made 492-496 on meth with the same build as the Black with GSCs that would become the same as the S2 (not quite the same, they are the old 272) but I wouldnt hesitate to say dropping S2s in it will make more power yet.

i mean i would be ok with getting a new set of cams, but i definitely wanna see how it does with these 272's first. I'd like to be able to keep them in and save my money for a new fmic

What 272s exactly? Thats kind of like saying I have a Big block in my Chevelle.

i think saying 272's are kinda like saying i have a 396 in my chevelle, seeing as i am being pretty specific. if i would have said i have aftermarket CAMS, that would have been like saying i have a big block in my chevelle


but just to be more specific, they're hks

I don't know if any one touch on this subject but the HKS TWIN DISK is not gonna hold alot of power..:mitsu:

who has an hks twin disc? i dont:confused:

HKS 272s is specific yes. They are kind of small by todays standards but they manage to get it done.

GSC272s (the older ones not the S2s)
Brian Crower 272s
Buddy Club 272
HKS 272s
Comp 272s
JUN 272s
BR272
BF272
Tomei 272
Helix 272
OBX 272 (dont actually know anyone that ever used these)
Greddy 272

There are ALOT of "272" cams out there, thats why saying 272 isnt very specific. The difference between a BC272 (brian crower) and JUN 272s is immense. Pretty much as big a difference as a 396, 477, or a 632 in my Chevelle. Thank you for clarifying though :)

to be quite honest, i had no idea there was THAT much of a difference in 272's in reference to brand. the only cams i ever researched a lot about were in my ls1 camaro. i was always more of a muscle car guy, but realized that i live in pa and we get hammered by snow, and i like windy roads:). but a 224 cam from comp cams for an ls1 is pretty close to the same as one from thunder racing. thats why i was a little confused so sorry if i came off as a dick.

if you were gonna recommend a cam setup for my car, any suggestions for me? it is a daily driver, i care more about streetability than power in the long run.


and for the record, the car came with the 272's when i bought it, or else i'd know more about them lol. i would have researched before i bought them

i've heard good things about crower cams.... but i'd appreciate some info from people who have a couple different combos (preferably similar to the rest of my setup)

There are 2 crowers, the old school crower we know from domestics and Brian Crower which is the kid's company. Totally not the same operation as far as results. The Crower cams that you can get for DSMs are a good product, nothing for Evos yet. For your setup the cams I pick depend on what power I really want to make and where in the power band. I normally am the guy at says GSC S2 and stops there. The S2 is a great cam for power up top and through the mid range but has some minor things with idle that some find hard to tune out. S1s are good all around cams and make really good power to about 7500 with a Red.

Cams all have different lift values, ramp rates, duration at .050, etc. One 272 to another for instance-

HKS 272 - 272/272 10.8/10.2mm lift, 214@ .040 (1mm)

GSC S2 - 274/274 11.2/11.0mm lift, 230 @ .040 (1mm)

So you can see advertised duration doesnt always tell the whole story. I didnt take it wrong, I have been where you are before :) Makes it easier if someone is willing to explain it though I have found. Even in domestics, a roller 272 (if there were one that small) versus a flat tappet or hydraulic 272 are pretty different.

im looking for somewhere in the neighborhood of 400-450whp (dynojet) and just a reliable and fun street car. i appreciate you dealing with my 4 cyl cam ignorance. for instance i had a 224/230 .601/.612 cam in my ls1 with a 112 lsa. i can understand the details of that, but the cams for an evo or any 4cyl is just like another world to me.

as far as 1/4 mile is concerned...my ls1 ran 12.40/114 with a 1.9 on stock tq converter, stock suspension, street tune and ****ty drag radials so i am obviously looking to go faster with the evo. im not sure how realistic it is, but i'd love to see an 11.99 or better without pushing the stock internals too far.

one last note- i REFUSE to run meth, i dont like the fact that failsafes can fail and i dont have the accessibility to e85

Crower cams are a dissapointment...the ams test the kelfords were thier number one pick. with the crower's in this test they barely made more power over the stock cams

thats good to know...if they made almost the same power as stock cams, i'd probably lose power if i put them in

The guy that started the freaking post..

my bad, seeing how that was on the 1st page and you posted about a twin disC on the 6th, i assumed you were talking about my car since thats what most of the 5th page was.

The quote button would have been very useful to avoid that misunderstanding{thumbup}

yeah you prolly would what 272's are you running now...i got the kelfords and they are sick!

i have hks 272's right now

I'm going from fpred to fpblack in a couple weeks, currently 490whp with red and meth. What whp will I see after the black and more boost? Can't wait.

550+ With good tune

i whent from hks 272 to kelfords 272, and its a huge difference. the hks looses power when @ the top, kelfords keeps pulling

Can I make 500 whp
 

I have my current mods in my signature, will I be able to make 500whp safely without meth?

maybe on c16 on a cold day with a lot of boost

Probably not with what you have listed. A buddy of mine did 511whp pump with the black, but he had a freshly built 2.4L with a Magnus v5 intake as well.

I'm at 512whp with the black on the stock bottom end, but I am running 100% meth. I also have a Magnus v5 intake, fwiw.

Dont you dare come in here pushing product son ;).

^LOL! I figured you'd already be in here pushing your list of mods for 500whp! :D

so do the numbers on here look pretty good? also I was going to get intercooler piping is it worth it to get upper, and lower? a cat delete, and a better intake, and the F1-i what type of gain can I expect from those parts?

Def get the Licp will add spool and power and get a test pipe.

i get tired of typing that list for fp red or black how to get 500 lol its wore out at this point they can follow your mods to get there or get the MANGUS V5 intake guezz. to the op that asked a question if 409 is good with there mods i would say no you could have gotten a hta green and got those numbers ;) pmed yahu

@EvoFlash/OP - Not only that but the stock "pipes" flex a lot with the boost you'd need to run. Hard pipes would be the way to go. Also, definitely go with a test pipe!

OP, you have the FP-Black in your sig and some whp/tq ratings. What has changed where you want to make 500whp? Is the black the new piece? FWIW - we did back-to-back pulls from the Red to the Black and picked up ~30whp without changing tune, etc. (literally baslined the Red on pump, uninstalled it/installed the black, got back on the dyno on pump). Since the black flowed more we were able to increase timing and boost and pick up close to 50whp overall from the Red.

I've since gone back to spraying 100% meth since then as that was simply for information sharing purposes.

*edit - got the PM, Rock! Behold the almighty closet!! LOL!