fp black or bbk?
 

out of them two turbos which one would you choose and why?

Two completely different turbos in regards to size and power potential. You should do some more searching because there are numerous threads discussing the pro and cons of each turbo in regards to each individuals liking. There are two turbos that would be ideal for different goals.

If I wanted a fast spooling turbo that would allow more power over the stock IX turbo, I would choose BBK.

If I was willing to sacrifice a few hundred rpms of lag to produce a lot of power, I would choose the Black.

what are your supporting mods ?

intake
3 tbe
tru boost
880cc injectors
buscher ported manifold
o2 dump
walbro 255
ets 3.5 ic
buscher licp

Definitely two different turbos.

yes i know that just wondering how you all fell about them
which one would you rather have and why?

what are u using the car for? I would choose the BBK if i autox and roadrace. If i drag raced, i would get the black.

All I can say is I love my Black{thumbup}

With your mods I'd do a BBK or HTA Green

Wait for the BBK-XL.

I have gone through a few set ups in my car (never had a black in my personal car). I can honestly say nothing was more fun on the street than the BBK. Spool, response cant be beat. As long as you have the right parts it will make power up top and not die off. I say it everyday yes my car makes more power now but driving it on the street as much as I do I really miss my BBK set up

When is supposed to be released... August 2012?

i already have the bbk full ported hotside i daily drive my car everyday and i am pretty sure the bbk would be the choice just wondering what everyone elses opinions were thats all

thanks guys!

I thought you haven't installed your bbk to your car? Your the bbk seller right at the for sale forum? this is you right https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sa...-hot-side.html He was selling his BBK and all of a sudden death whine in his car. He said he never get a chance to install this turbo to his car but here in this forum looks like he did.

I don't believe it is even something that you can compare, each turbo are meant for different things and different amounts of power.

With your mods I would definitely go with an HTA green.

So i'm debating on a GT42r and a fpgreen. Which one would you guys choose. I am very confused here. :confused: What are the spool diffrences and are they identical in price?

Lol

Dont get a black, they suck ;)

lmfao hope your joking robert..

No I'm serious, someone needs to buy the other turbos so my customers have people to beat at the track :D

^^That's awesome! LMAO :lol:

good point robert my black nneds to mop up some cars like that..lol.

You got LOL'd because those are two very very different choices man. I mean big time. Thats like saying "I'm undecided, should I unscrew the oil drain plug or take out my 357 and bust a cap in the pan?" Same desired result with drastically different consequences.

Not building the motor = BBK Full, up to 500 WHP with the right setup. The BBk has a lot better TQ then the Red

Building the motor = Black, up to 700 WHP with the right setup

Robert, Hey bud I'll be calling you tomorrow or Monday. I'm sending something your way... I'm going for gold and over 700hp on my ER LR2.4 {thumbup}Should be in car within a week or too.

Mikey

It was a joke bro lol.

I guess it depends on what you want to do. I'm daily driving my car and originally was thinking BBK or HTA Green. Though when my car is paid off I might garage it as a race only car so I went with a Red. Not worried about the extra lag and I won't have to upgrade turbo's later on if I want to go with E85. Hoping the Red is delivered tomorrow, Evo's been sleeping for 2 weeks. I miss her.

i do not have it on my car... its just sitting in my room maybe you need to read a little better and i dont think a lot of you understand what i was asking.

The assumptions in your statement are surely debatable. The torquier stock style turbos such as the Greens and the BBK-Full are probably harder on a stock engine's rods and bearings and clutch than the higher HP/Lower TQ turbos such as the Red and the Black. Or do you opine differently? It is obvious that you do, dambikeracer. So, please expand on and clarify your ideas.

+1 to this tq blows motors you would want the red or the black on the stocker less tq produced the bbk and green can get nasty and has been proven. personally op if you are going to want more then 500 the choice is made fp red or black. if you will be happy in the 300 to 450 club then the bbk or the hta green are what you should be considering. Simple as that. if you worried about lag add a 2.3 shorty and there you go wash you hands with it.

Agree with Sparky, no debate. There have been Triple the account of Green cars blow than Reds or Blacks on stock motors. Currently I have not heard of a single Black to blow a motor. The slower and later the spool the safe on stock rods. Having the lower tq and higher hp is what you want on the stock motor. Go FP BLACK

Mikey

I have been seriously debating going with a FP Black instead of upgrading to the BBK-XL for the reasons stated above.

Should I buy a Civic or should I buy a Prius??? So tough...I mean one has so much torque it runs away on the highways and the other has massive top end from VTAK....decisions decisions :crap:

:lol: what is wrong with all of us WA guys... Must be coming out of hibernation sine the sun is now starting to shine :D

Mikey

I think that be it :lol:

I am really thinking the BBK is done right at 500whp for most people. That was 33psi on E85 with all the mods without the Magnus. I really am not sure that it would help since the car is running out of air at that level.

I know its been pointed out but the BBK is a turbo meant for a completely different application. Pumpgas and track use. The same car made 450 on pump at 29psi so it shows that its meant for that power level or close.

To be fair we have saw 500/427 on that combo (E85) and a pump meth (small M5 jet) Black made 514/406 at less boost/timing of course. I wouldnt say that the Red or Black necessarily make less torque than the BBK, in fact I think that part is comparable relative to tuner and tune. One only needs to look at JohnnyTSi's 2.4 Black to see what is possible with off the shelf parts on a stock head, and there is actually more left in his after the 2.5" testpipe finagle was discovered.

I question your data.

My RED, at 5300 feet, puts out 462 TQ max and has a several thousand RPM powerband above 350 TQ.

if u gonna stick with pump gas, i would not do this two turbo. For your mods and stock 9 turbo, these 2 two wont gain much over ur 9 turbo with pump gas. These two turbo only shine above 30psi. I would recommend u spend a lil more money buying a good turbo kit with 30r, 35r, 6262 or something . Better gain with pump gas.