Al's Dyno stuff
 

Al @ Dynoflash said
Actually, my estimate was 310 x .95 which equals 294.5. So I'm about 4whp off. But who's counting? ;) This, Al, is about 10-25hp less than our cat-equipped, emissions-friendly Stage 1 cars so you might want to reconsider your comments regarding horspower supremecy.

I would have posted on the other thread but it was closed. Back to talking about tech related issues: should we now make it a habit of posting SAE corrected numbers when bragging or comparing dyno results to that of other tuners? While still not ideal, this will help the readers from accidentally comparing apples to things which are most definately oranges.

My 2c,
shiv

Al's Dynoflash/BR Stage 2 results below:

Shiv you are the best, maybe now we can finally find the way to use numbers in the right way so that people can get a better idea. i think that from now on you all should post the SAE numbers and that way there won't be a confusion when 1 tuner post 700whp and the other 279whp from the same mods.

thanks for everything

keep it clean...otherwise i'm sure this thread like many before it will be locked

my post was not meant as a fight or attack on anyone.

i agree with MP5 that by using SAE numbers we will be able to level the field and provide numbers that are comparable with other tuners.

Would it not also help to post the baseline along with the final runs, and be able to see the relative gains.
It seems that given the differences from dyno to dyno, this would be a way to better guage the results.

Well, I was worried, I honestly didn't know what we were using for correction on the dyno. I had to go back, pull the charts up and look.

Glad to see they were all SAE corrected. You can see this for yourself on our website, it is in the upper left side of the sheets.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

SAE#'s with baselines and a note about conditions (dyno type, fan hood open, octane) is the best. Still not perfect but the better then nothing.

It should be noted that Vishnu's stage 1 is about $1,000.00 more than the set up Dynoflash referenced in the other thread.

And you are not using an aftermarket piggy back. :)

It's also important to note that your baseline run for a stock car is is a high 256whp due to the 2wd configuration of your dyno. This is roughly 10% higher than most 4wd Dynojets and about 20% higher than our DD AWD dyno with all other things close to being equal (octane, testing conditions, etc).

Regards,
Shiv

Stage 1 costs $2100-2450 depending on which full exhaust you want to run (dump back, turbo-back, sig. dump back). It also includes cam gears, and a fully mappable user tunable XEDE. So yes, it will be more expensive.

Shiv

show a map of your stage 1+ without extra dyno tuning on 93 octang on dyno jet

sae corrected

If you look at it from a $/HP standpoint, it is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive. I looked at both options, it made more sense to me to use the option Dynoflash posted in the other thread.

No doubt Vishnu stuff is good, just a little pricey IMO.

depends on how you look at it.
If you have the setup you want, then a flash is the way to go. If you plan on using an evolving series of upgrades, then reflashing is going to get expensive and time consuming (assuming you aren't lucky enough to have a tuner shop close enough where you can stop buy for a quick reflash)

to me piggy-back/stand-alone makes a lot more sence as I know I will be starting my upgrade path this spring, but adding to it as I get bored with the increased HP. Not having to worry about reflashing/replaing the ECU is a big thing for me.

We've only tuned one stage 1+ car (our shop car). And it was on our DD dyno and on our 91 octane CA gas. Probably not what you're looking for. You're request can only be met once I tune some out-of-state Stage 1+ cars. I have several Stage 1+ cars scheduled on my next east coast tuning day. I'm sure there will be enough dyno results floating around after that.

Cheers
shiv

Not everyone will benefit from the additional features the XEDE provides. But one nice thing is the ability to run a race gas map which can, at times, be worth another 30-40whp. Factor in the price of the gas and the $/HP ratio is quite good ;)

My 2c,
shiv