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I am me Mar 13, 2015 11:31 AM

Best fuel pump to run?
 
Hey guys, quick question, I'm wondering what would be the best fuel pump and injectors to run for my 06 evo. I'm trying to build it to run e85 but still running 91 at the same time considering it is still daily driven. For my setup hoping to reach around or alittle above 500 whp. I also don't plan on keeping the stock turbo, I will be upgrading soon to a ets turbo kit just haven't decided which to go with. I've heard the walbro 255 and 1000 cc injectors are decent but I'm not sure if that will get me to my 500 goal. Any advice at all is greatly appreciated! Thanks again guys!

evo8426 Mar 13, 2015 12:03 PM

1000cc will limit you to around 450ish on a single pump on factory wiring. The easiest way to get there as far a fuel setup would be 1200cc injectors and a double pumper.

egis Mar 13, 2015 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by evo8426 (Post 11410993)
1000cc will limit you to around 450ish on a single pump on factory wiring. The easiest way to get there as far a fuel setup would be 1200cc injectors and a double pumper.

450 on what dyno sir

I am me Mar 13, 2015 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by evo8426 (Post 11410993)
1000cc will limit you to around 450ish on a single pump on factory wiring. The easiest way to get there as far a fuel setup would be 1200cc injectors and a double pumper.

okay 1200cc injectors and is there any other necessary parts I would need to go along with the double pumper? Or can they be installed as easily as an upgraded single pump? Also should I go with wabro 255's or something else?

Zombie Killer Mar 14, 2015 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by egis (Post 11411114)
450 on what dyno sir

Dynojet/93oct

evo8426 Mar 14, 2015 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Zombie Killer (Post 11411302)
Dynojet/93oct

Dynojet and with e85

egis Mar 14, 2015 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by evo8426 (Post 11411324)
Dynojet and with e85

The reason i asked because me just like op I assume want to know what's the limits. I made 365 on e85 mustang dyno. Don't know how to convert into dynojet but looks like we have some room.

Ronnie Size Mar 14, 2015 10:43 AM

AEM 320 --- Reliable and flows a bunch.

I'm partial to the FIC 2150cc but they're pricey.

I am me Mar 14, 2015 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Ronnie Size (Post 11411424)
AEM 320 --- Reliable and flows a bunch.

I'm partial to the FIC 2150cc but they're pricey.

Any idea where I can get them? Or where I can look up reviews?

I am me Mar 14, 2015 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by egis (Post 11411402)
The reason i asked because me just like op I assume want to know what's the limits. I made 365 on e85 mustang dyno. Don't know how to convert into dynojet but looks like we have some room.

Exactly that's one of my main concerns is the limit, and same here I'd like to know how to convert to dynojet as well.

C89ZX7R Mar 14, 2015 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by evo8426 (Post 11411324)
Dynojet and with e85

No........

evo8426 Mar 15, 2015 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by C89ZX7R (Post 11411620)
No........

And you have experienced this yourself? I have. Sure you can push it to the edge but who wants to run extra lean and not be on the safe side?

Ted B Mar 15, 2015 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by I am me (Post 11410972)
I've heard the walbro 255 and 1000 cc injectors are decent but I'm not sure if that will get me to my 500 goal...

Building a reliable 500whp E85 fuel system means building a system sized to supply 630whp worth of gasoline, and doing it with a pump that is E85 safe.

If you intend on making this system E85 safe over the long haul, the Walbro 255 doesn't fit into your plans. There is another Walbro in-tank pump, the -267 or 416 lph pump, that is relatively easy to swap. The good news is this pump has the capability to deliver more than enough fuel for the job. The bad news is your skimpy factory wiring cannot deliver enough power to support the demands of the pump if its full capability is to be realized. That will materialize only if the factory wiring is fully upgraded with large power and ground leads.

If this is accomplished, the pump will have the juice to pump enough E85 through your puny fuel feed line to get you 500whp. IF you have enough voltage at the pump to maintain at least 3 bar (44psi) at the fuel rail at full tilt, one may be able to squeeze 500whp out of 1000 lph injectors with sharp tuning if everything else is mechanically efficient. As previously mentioned, 1200s give more headroom.

If you're going to do it, I suggest doing it right the first time. Avoid doing what some folks have done, having undersized/underperforming pumps and trying to band-aid the pressure loss at the rail with oversized injectors. Don't fall into that trap.

Sharkbite2000 Mar 15, 2015 10:05 PM

Upgrade fuel system double or better and some 2000 you will be safe ;)

I am me Mar 16, 2015 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Ted B (Post 11412064)
Building a reliable 500whp E85 fuel system means building a system sized to supply 630whp worth of gasoline, and doing it with a pump that is E85 safe.

If you intend on making this system E85 safe over the long haul, the Walbro 255 doesn't fit into your plans. There is another Walbro in-tank pump, the -267 or 416 lph pump, that is relatively easy to swap. The good news is this pump has the capability to deliver more than enough fuel for the job. The bad news is your skimpy factory wiring cannot deliver enough power to support the demands of the pump if its full capability is to be realized. That will materialize only if the factory wiring is fully upgraded with large power and ground leads.

If this is accomplished, the pump will have the juice to pump enough E85 through your puny fuel feed line to get you 500whp. IF you have enough voltage at the pump to maintain at least 3 bar (44psi) at the fuel rail at full tilt, one may be able to squeeze 500whp out of 1000 lph injectors with sharp tuning if everything else is mechanically efficient. As previously mentioned, 1200s give more headroom.

If you're going to do it, I suggest doing it right the first time. Avoid doing what some folks have done, having undersized/underperforming pumps and trying to band-aid the pressure loss at the rail with oversized injectors. Don't fall into that trap.

Sounds great! But if I go with either of those fuel pumps will I be able to run 91 or strictly e85? And would I need to run a double pump with this or just the single?


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