GTX3582r Short Runner TwinScroll Setup
As I often do, I got bored and decided to change my setup...AGAIN! I was running the Garrett V-band TwinScroll setup using the 1.01 a/r turbine housing and GTX3582r, which pulled like a bat out of hell on the topend at 33psi on 93octane. However, I did somewhat miss the super quick spool of the short runner setup I used to run with the GTX3576r. Therefore, I decided to somewhat merge the new setup with the old.
I went back to the short runner manifold, but I used the old 3" downpipe and once it made the 90deg bend under the oil pan I merged with the new 3.5" exhaust. http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~jthagard/EVO.../downpipe1.JPG http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~jthagard/EVO.../downpipe2.JPG Below you can see the new setup and the specs are as follows: Curt Brown 10:1 2L GSC R2's w/ Kiggley Springs ShortRunner TS manifold w/ 1.06 a/r T4 TS GTX3582r Haltech Platinum Pro PnP http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~jthagard/EVO...ner/setup1.JPG http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~jthagard/EVO...ner/setup2.JPG My initial impressions are the ShortRunner spools like I remember and I am getting ~29psi@4250 rpm in 3rd gear and will post some logs later showing exact numbers. The car is currently running ~33psi and it definitely doesn't pull as hard on the top vs the 1.01 a/r Garrett V-band twin scroll setup, but the low end torque is amazing and the spool is fast for this size turbo. I will post more and hope to get it to the dyno soon. |
Why did you go 3 to 3.5 thats the reverse of what you want to get rid of turbulance. I dropped the exhaust after DP and saw no gain on the dyno so i'll be going about it the other way.
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Originally Posted by Grimgrak
(Post 11411884)
Why did you go 3 to 3.5 thats the reverse of what you want to get rid of turbulance. I dropped the exhaust after DP and saw no gain on the dyno so i'll be going about it the other way.
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Very interesting stuff. Keep us updated, and obviously if you can make some comparison logs/virtual dynos, that would be cool to see.
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Originally Posted by RWD4G63
(Post 11412211)
Very interesting stuff. Keep us updated, and obviously if you can make some comparison logs/virtual dynos, that would be cool to see.
Runs are done in 3rd gear. BEFORE: GTX3576R, S2s, 3" exhaust (27.3psi @ 3848rpm) AFTER: GTX3582R, R2s, 3.5" exhaust (27.4psi @ 4351rpm) http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~jthagard/EVO...s_GTX3582R.jpg |
Although I can't show VD results here are the time results based on the logs above:
BEFORE: 4515-8024rpm 3.57s AFTER: 4502-8047rpm 3.26s So the new setup pulls through 3rd gear from 4500-8000rpm 0.3s faster. Just to clarify the BEFORE / AFTER is comparing the Short Runner TwinScroll setups and not the Garrett V-band TwinScroll. |
Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
(Post 11412656)
I have not been able to get the VD to work with the Haltech Platinum Pro PnP. However, I can show the spool differences, which are shown below and I lost ~500rpm with the new setup vs the old (both short runner twinscroll).
Runs are done in 3rd gear. BEFORE: GTX3576R, S2s, 3" exhaust (27.3psi @ 3848rpm) AFTER: GTX3582R, R2s, 3.5" exhaust (27.4psi @ 4351rpm)
Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
(Post 11412671)
Although I can't show VD results here are the time results based on the logs above:
BEFORE: 4515-8024rpm 3.57s AFTER: 4502-8047rpm 3.26s So the new setup pulls through 3rd gear from 4500-8000rpm 0.3s faster. Just to clarify the BEFORE / AFTER is comparing the Short Runner TwinScroll setups and not the Garrett V-band TwinScroll. |
Originally Posted by RWD4G63
(Post 11412857)
You only had the V-band setup working correctly with the 3582 correct? That's what I'm most interested in seeing; the manifolds compared in spool and time to rpm.
I will post some logs later and compare spool and time to rpm for the V-band setup vs the short runner setup with all else remaining equal. Curious how the results will stack up. |
Your going to have to specific which is 3 inch to 3.5 and which is 3.5 to 3 because I dont recall you having a 3.5 turbo back all the way.
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Originally Posted by Grimgrak
(Post 11413109)
Your going to have to specific which is 3 inch to 3.5 and which is 3.5 to 3 because I dont recall you having a 3.5 turbo back all the way.
When I first ran the Short Runner TS setup with the GTX3576r I had a full 3" exhaust from the turbo back. When I swapped to the long runner V-band TS setup I had a full 3.5" exhaust from the turbo back. Since swapping back to the Short Runner TS setup I am running the original 3" downpipe, but once it takes the 90deg bend under the oil pan I transition to 3.5" all the way back. I hope this helps. http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~jthagard/EVO.../downpipe1.JPG |
Interesting stuff. Your threads over the past couple years have really driven home the concept of matching the turbo AND manifold to your specific goals.
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Originally Posted by 03whitegsr
(Post 11413267)
Interesting stuff. Your threads over the past couple years have really driven home the concept of matching the turbo AND manifold to your specific goals.
So here are the results comparing the long runner manifold with 1.01a/r Garrett V-band twinscroll vs the short runner manifold with 1.06a/r ATP T4 TS. That is the only difference except the short runner has a 3" downpipe before going to 3.5" exhaust, whereas the long runner ran a 3.5" off the turbo. Both running the GTX3582r. Runs are done in 3rd gear. BEFORE: Long Runner 1.01a/r Garrett V-band TS (27.4psi @ 5299rpm) AFTER: Short Runner 1.06a/r ATP T4 TS (27.4psi @ 4351rpm) One other data point for the 20psi guys. BEFORE: Long Runner 1.01a/r Garrett V-band TS (20.0psi @ 4921rpm) AFTER: Short Runner 1.06a/r ATP T4 TS (20.2psi @ 4079rpm) http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~jthagard/EVO...r_GTX3582r.jpg And now for the time to rpm data BEFORE: LongRunner 5508-7924rpm 2.41s AFTER: ShortRunner 5502-7979rpm 2.27s :confused: My butt told me the long runner was faster, but the numbers don't lie. So, with the long runner manifold and the GTX3576r I was at 505hp@wheels on pump and based on the time to rpm data, the GTX3582r is making more power and spooling almost 900rpm sooner. |
This is almost like a giant slap accross the face to the fancy full race style ts manifold.
Time to do the wheel dyno again just to verify. So you had a long runner 3.5 inch turbo back on the gtx3582. Yet going to a smaller dp AND shorter manifold you gained 500rpm spool. How does your long and short style compare to say a full race ts non front facing manifold? I just bought the t3 gt30 ni resist 1.01 TS and am debating manifolds. Still wanting to do a 3.5inch dp to 3 inch exhaust. Your results have thrown a wrench into my decision tho.... |
love where you put the flex section. your always thinking outside the box.
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Ditto on the flex section and the way the two waste pipes recirc criss-cross each other to the downpipe! Me loves!
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