I see way too many people are worried about the EVO coming without these drivetrain control options. Please-stop it!! First of all how many of you guys are over 25 years old? Anyone under is very likely buying a car that is overkill for your driving skills. Advice to all younger guys-- forget about what brand of wheels are coming with the car, forget about the fact that it may have under 260 hp or over 260, take the money you will be spending on rims and exhausts and sign up for a few driving schools. Trust me on this, Im 28 now and I spent way too much money when I was younger on "speed" parts and forgot about polishing my driving skills. And no I dont mean drag racing skills, or the "art" of dodging through tight traffic.
How many of you guys are planing on actually runing the EVO on gravel? come on!!! Maybe 2 out of 100. Are you really ok with sandblasting and stone chiping the paint off your front bumper of your 30k $ ride? really. What about snow? How many of you are really going to slide sideways full on power on your next highway entrance ramp--in a snowstorm? really. That rules out the need for ACD. All we need is a fixed bias towards rear power. It needs to feel more like a rear wheel drive car. Maybe 60% rear bias.
What about AYC. This feature enables an ok driver feel safer and look better on the road. Although only when pushing the limits of adhesion. If anyone thinks that this makes the car handle better, you are mistaking. Its basically a safety net bringing control back to you when the limit is overcome. Driving school will have anyone learn how to live on that edge and have your own internal AYC, and being able to react properly.
I would love to see these options available on the EVO, Im a technician in a dealership and I can appreciate technology. It would be great if we get the full EVO, if we dont then track time will teach me the characteristics of this car. Go to school, its the most fun you will have , trust me. And dont be surprised when a stock Miata driven by an expert laps you in your new 260-plus hp EVO

 

Although I agree with you..many don't understand and will always complain. This argument has been made over and over again...even by several current Evo owners have tried explaining with no luck

 

I do agree with the necessity for drivers to have sufficient experience to handle their given car for their given circumstance, but you are quite over-simplifying the functions of these active systems, in my opinion. I keep hearing these blanket-statements about AYC = safety feature and ACD = tarmac/gravel/snow selecter switch, bar-none. AYC isn't simply something that helps keep a stupid driver in control since he ordinarily couldn't dream of doing so. It actively senses turning and yaw input and gives more torque to the outside-rear wheel when cornering, as designated by the computer. This physically gives the car greater rear traction as the outside corner, during hard cornering, is supporting the majority of the vehicles weight and therefore has more traction than the inside wheel, and can benefit from the increased torque. This works on a simple law of physics and is similar to Honda's ATTS system on the Prelude SH. Now I'm not saying there are no shortcomings, just trying to say that it's NOT simply a safety feature. Likewise, ACD is not only useful for that nifty little tarmac/gravel/snow switch. Even if you NEVER drive your car off road and therefore never switch to anything other than tarmac, there are many times when a variable torque-split is advantageous to a set torque split, and an active system can determine when those times are MANY TIMES faster than a mechanical system and which wheel simply can benefit from the most power at any given time throughout a corner, which can change in in hundredths of a second throughout the turn. This simply increases cornering capability and it's got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether you're experienced or not. I'm over 25 and I DEFINITELY want these systems; not so much concearned with AYC, but most definitely ACD; they simply make an excellent corning car corner even better. But, in the end, you are right in that experience IS more important than anything else when said and done.

 

Ammmmmm...........I will! I'm Canadian, ey.

 

at least give it as an option

 

By making that statement I can assess that you must not be in a region where you get much snow.

I do agree with you though, I'm sick of hearing the whining from babies threatening to not purchase the car in retaliation. Well will miss you guys, not really. Atleast it's not as bad as a complaint as "that stupid centerpiece".

 

While I agree, the fact is that in alot of the tests between this car and it's arch-rival, the WRX STi, the intelligent drivetrain usuallyis the difference between victory and defeat.

I would like to see it as an option, because I firmly believe that the AYC/ACD is one of the major things in actual performance that seperates the 7 from the previous Evolutions. As such, I think that the AYC/ACD being absent would make it a "step back."

Is it worth whining or complaining over? Of course not, that's ridiculous, it will probably still be an excellent performance machine, however, it is always the "little" things that make the difference.

I really don't understand alot of these "kids" (I'm 19 myself, but, I'd like to think I have a little more sense than some of the people my age posting here occasionally) trying like hell to scrape together the cash to put a deposit down on a car that they a) don't know what it looks like, b) don't know a set MSRP, c) don't know what options are going to be available, d) don't know exact specs, and especially e) HAVEN'T DRIVEN THE CAR AT ALL. It really, really seems foolhardy.

 

well, im 21, my car now is awd, and ive been to many autocross events. i won some, lost some, but the point is i know how to drive these types of cars. im not a ****ty driver, and alot of times ive won races, it wasnt because i had the fastest car, but because i was the best driver. i know many people under 25 that could blow the doors off alot of older drivers. i know alot of older drivers that shouldnt be behind the wheel of any car other than a van. instead of saying, under 25, you should have said people who dont know what they are doing. i agree, i dont think some little ****head who's never driven a car other than a honda, should get this car. but, keep in mind, there are some good drivers under 25.

 

Yes, but I think that when he says "kids" and stuff like that, he's more pointing to the FATF mentality.

 

See the "fear of some potential evo buyers" thread, rt. I believe it's in Evo General or Evo Rumors. Too lazy to link.

 

Basically the same thread.

Seems like alot of people doing the complaining are really doing so out of the fact that they saw it on Gran Turismo, and are concerned on that front without knowing what difference it really makes and so forth, or even what it does. As I said, I would be disappointed to see it gone since it seems to be what seperates itself from the rest of the pack, and I consider it to be quite a marvel of modern automotive design.

 

Its true that not all drivers under 25 are not qualified, that's why I said "most likely" not all. Invest in a track day with a school. I've done both autocross and roadcourse events, and can say that autocross is good schooling, but does'nt involve the high speeds or total dynamics that a true roadcourse does. An expert roadcourse driver will literally scare the **** out of you if you take a ride with him on the track-- not so in an autocross.
Its all a drivers game when it comes to these cars. Im waiting with tremendous exitement for this EVO. I've got 2 separate deposits!! I hope we get the best EVO we can. BUt it doesn't matter too much how loaded this car comes. We will get a turbo-4 banger thats been tried and true--that should be enough for all of us. Power gains will be easy to come by, so don't worry about hp's. Brembos are exiting to me, not because I will notice the difference on the street, but because on the track after a few laps I will still be able to slam down the pedal as I pass someone else that's cooked their brakes!
I owned a 2000 Integra type-R, and I have embarrased many sports cars on the track. Not because of the power (195 hp), but because it was a beautiful driver's car. I felt like one with this car. We got drivers with ZO6's, Boxter S, previous M3 give my car and myself compliments for passing the with a "lesser" car. NOt in any way the car as much as the fact that these guys did not squeeze there cars to the fullest. Its my plan to embarass better and faster cars when I receive and fully learn the dynamics of the new EVO. We all are lucky to be on wait to drive an amazing machine!!

 

Well Said

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by StreetLancer
[B] the AYC/ACD is one of the major things in actual performance that seperates the 7 from the previous Evolutions.


Just one question, Is this so called "step back" in performance based on personal driving experience? If so what EVO did you drive before? Just curious