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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 11:59 AM
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First off, props to Mike and Evasive for sharing his build up with this community.

Secondly, for all the people questioning his methods, it is your right. I mean this is a public forum, but seriously, what is the use in debating? If you feel that one should do things a specific way then by all means, do it. But do it with your own car.

What Mike is trying to do is build his vehicle the way HE wants using parts HE chooses. We can all sit here for hours and nit pick his methods or reasons behind why he's building his car this way or that way but at the end of the day, the car is HIS so let him do what he feels is right. Mike wasn't asking for any responses or for people to chime in with dumb and useless comebacks. He is simply stating that he's building this project and if you want to follow along, then stay tuned.

Yes, I can run a nice 12sec pass with a Neon and sit here on this forum and ***** and complain on why all EVO owners spend way too much on their cars but what good would that do us? The EVO is sick and everyone knows that this platform is one of the best on the planet. But can we sit and debate which is better than the other? Of course we can.

I could choose to use Husky tools for all my installs but the other guy might want to use MAC or Snap On. Do both do the same job? Yes. Is one a personal preference over the other? Yes.

Tuning isn't meant to be a set rule. If that was the case there would only be one manufacturer making one type of part. Reliability, individualism, and quality all play a part in the purchase decision making process and Mike has already chosen so leave him be.

Let's just see what all these goodies actually do now.

If you're looking to tune your VIIII another way... Start another thread.
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Steiner
You get what you pay for though.
Says who? It's just metal tubes that direct exhaust gases out through a tailpipe. There is no gain from an expensive HKS exhaust over a Megan exhaust except for a few pounds of weight savings if you get the Titanium. A few pounds is not worth $500-600, but as long as people believe this cliche you just spouted, the HKS's and Greddy's of the world will continue to laugh all the way to the bank. I think HKS makes great products, and I think they are excellent businessmen...it's the poor customers who think they are getting something extra for paying a ton more who I pity.
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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NEW UPDATE
Here are the results from our baseline dyno runs today..
the 9 bone stock: the car was very consistent

graph of 9 vs 8 both stock:

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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Evasive EVO
NEW UPDATE on 1st page - Baseline Dyno run.
never realized how much fatter the torque band on a IX is, interesting. Same TQ numbers but look at the curves the IX's is beautiful.
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Says who? It's just metal tubes that direct exhaust gases out through a tailpipe. There is no gain from an expensive HKS exhaust over a Megan exhaust except for a few pounds of weight savings if you get the Titanium. A few pounds is not worth $500-600, but as long as people believe this cliche you just spouted, the HKS's and Greddy's of the world will continue to laugh all the way to the bank. I think HKS makes great products, and I think they are excellent businessmen...it's the poor customers who think they are getting something extra for paying a ton more who I pity.
I disagree with this one warrtalon. Exhaust maybe this may not apply, but you need to talk about quality of welds, and stuff of that sort. I HAVE heard of hangers snapping at the welds and having, to be re-welded. Then comes the type of metal it is made from, which some are obviously more expensive (which you did mention), only for some weight savings, but to some people every little pound counts, and is worth the little weight it cuts in gold to them. (like the frequent auto-xers that are always looking for ways to cut weight). I DO agree with you that an exhaust that is 500-600 more is going to make the same power as much cheaper ones. But outside of the exhaust world, this does tend to apply to ALOT of aftermarket parts for cars where quality tends to be a HUGE issue, you do get what you pay for. I happen to believe this saying is very true (not necessarily for exhausts).
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 12:00 PM
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Yes, don't buy cheap stuff.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 12:06 PM
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I had a megan exhaust on my suby and it cracked and rusted out at the welds in one winter of driving. I can't complain as I only paided 250 for it brand new but I learned my lesson and this time around I didn't cheap out as much on parts as I did with my suby. Sorry for the divergence from the topic at hand, I can't wait for some dyno numbers with all the mods and I can't wait for someone to pick up your stocker and put it on an evo8 and get some comparison numbers.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:25 PM
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UPDATE* 12-15-05
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Tear down of the 9 begins..

Mivec Motor - getting ready for new headgasket and studs.

turbo assembly

factory 9 turbo - 2000 miles only



Clutch also arrived today.. OS Giken Twin Plate



More updates to come!!

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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:29 PM
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Looking good, keep the updates coming
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:46 PM
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Cool pics. Looks like fun!

So uh...I gotta ask again...have you sold the stock Evo 9 turbo yet?
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:21 PM
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sell me your 9 turbo

edit: seriously
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 06:08 AM
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Why are some of you guys hating the parts chosen? It's all about the tuning and I don't think anyone will argue that. Lets support these guys and then critique what they did after you see the dyno sheet. Yeah, I am a noob here but had an STi that was putting down just over 400 awhp on 100 octane. I know that's nothing for an EVO but I just wanted you guys to know I am not a noob in regards to what I am talking about. I know for the amount of money spent on the STi, there is no doubt that if were and EVO it would be in the 11's.

Evasive Evo, I look forward to seeing you dyno sheet and PLEASE incluse the a/f.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
I can do that. I don't think the parts won't work; I just am not fond of the turbo being used. I certainly understand the point of seeing how well the car responds to HKS parts, but I just wonder who thought it up. There would be FAR MORE to gain by putting all HKS parts on a IX with stock turbo and stock ECU than going with a turbo that isn't well-liked in the Evo community and a tuning device that no one knows how to use. If the goal is just to prove something to yourself, SPE, or HKS, then I understand. If the point is to ultimately show the Evo community how well HKS products work and make money, then I think it's a big waste of time and someone is missing the boat, since most owners won't be touching the turbo or the ECU.

Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see what happens, since it will be a different combo that no one else will probably be using.
Wow, WT speaking again for the entire EVO community and what we like and don't like. I actually have heard positive things about the 3037. It is used by a large west coast tuner and is the HKS built version of the 3076. BTW, nice hi-jack job. We've all been waiting to know your opinion on this build up.

Edit to add if you are unsure about the 3037 v 3076, check with Al as he has tuned both and IIRC claimed he could get a bunch more whp out of the 3037.

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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:26 AM
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Fcon is used a lot actually...you guys have to remember that not everyone that owns an Evo is on the internet all the time...especially EvoM.

I for one am interested on how that setup runs...seems like it would obviously gain high up HP without sacrificing too much torque.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:10 PM
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Evasive, we are Autoplus from the Philippines. We also have an ongoing customer Evo IX, almost same set-up:
HKS GT3240 turbokit
HKS R Type Intercooler
Tial Wastegate
HKS BOV
JUN cams
JUN stroker kit
Greddy Turboback exhaust
HKS camgears
JUN mainbolts and headstuds
Holinger dog-change transmission
Motec M800 ECU
Motec PLM
Motec CDI 8
Exedy clutch
JUN intake plenum

and more. Our problem are the cams too since the Mivec should use cams of a different profile. if the JUn Evo IX cams will take too long, then the JUN 272/272 will be used except we will have to disable the Mivec especially on the intake cam. power on this car will be simply a shy not more than 650awhp, not as enough power so that it can be used perfectly also on the circuit and street. perfect especially for the track since the owner wants to really beat those porsches.

i like your choice of parts. we go JDM all the way except usually for the turbokits and EMS.

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