Advans in the winter
Those of you who think your wheel bearings are noisy on a new car,it's ADVANS complaining about the cold.Both of my evo's were purchased in the winter and this feathering of the tire tread was dew to lack of temperature.When the Porsche 928 S4 model came out in 1987 and driven in the northeast in between seasons the same wear would happen!Never did alignments on my evos combined with appropriate tires for the season the feathering never came back.Btw I happen to use michelin ps2 and psA/S which eliminated this wear.
Well, as someone posted above from Mitsubishi, they "recommend" other tires in below freezing weather (32F). I think the warning sticker on my car door said not to use them at 14F and colder.
Edit: That 14 degrees may have been celsius. I don't remember. Not that I know what 14C is. LOL
Edit: That 14 degrees may have been celsius. I don't remember. Not that I know what 14C is. LOL
Now, I know that driving in snow or ice with the stock Advan tires is the automotive equivalent of mountain climbing in dress shoes.
But what if the road is bone dry, and it's just cold? Like in the high 20s?
I'd imagine the ultimate grip of the tires couldn't be realized with the rubber that chilly, but would it be safe for normal driving? Or should I simply refrain from driving the car if the temp drops below, say, 40?
(Yes, I know I could just put some all season tires on it, but that's what the Acura RL is for...)
But what if the road is bone dry, and it's just cold? Like in the high 20s?
I'd imagine the ultimate grip of the tires couldn't be realized with the rubber that chilly, but would it be safe for normal driving? Or should I simply refrain from driving the car if the temp drops below, say, 40?
(Yes, I know I could just put some all season tires on it, but that's what the Acura RL is for...)
Maybe what I'm recalling is a warning that comes with the tires when you buy new ones? 14 degrees sticks out in my mind from somewhere. Store them indoors if temps get that low. Maybe that.
To the guy who thinks he needs different tires for 40-50 degree temps, You're going to find your car takes longer to stop (under hard braking) and corners slower (when pushing it) than the Advans at those temps. At least with the Continental Extreme Contact all seasons I have.
The Advans don't stick at 40 degrees like they do at 70 degrees, but they still outstick my all seasons at that temp and where I'm from 40 degrees is considered hot in the winter so I have quite a bit of experience with these tires and temps. You'd not only be wasting your money, but you'll be severely disappointed in the performance loss.
One odd thing I noticed is an almost whirring sound as you are coming to a stop, seems to happen below about 20 mph. I was wondering if this was a worn or bad bearing (on a new car!), but I think it's just tire noise - do other people think these tires are noisy in cold weather coming to a stop?
I've spent the last 3 years with my 2003 Evo in Canada and the Northeastern USA. My experience with stock Advans is that they turn to stone below 30degF. Absolutely no grip, even in the dry.
Emre
Although I do have a 2nd car....a lot of evo owners on here do not. I just want to know the best winter tires for the price?
I have driven my 2003 C5 in the snow with the stock summer run flats. As long as I took it easy and gave my self extra room to stop I had no problems. I also have driven my 2005 G35 coupe in the snow with the summer tires with no ill effects, but had to take it slower. The corvettes traction control is much better that the G35's and it felt much safer to drive as long as the snow wasn't more than a couple of inches due to the low ground clearance.
I'm not going to worry about the Evo since it has to be better than my past two cars.
PS- It is pretty flat here with almost no hills so that helps too.
I'm not going to worry about the Evo since it has to be better than my past two cars.
PS- It is pretty flat here with almost no hills so that helps too.
As a rule, I replace my Advans on Dec 1. I used Kuhmo ECSTA ASX, there were $125/ea and I love them. Excellent performance, and Neal@Discount tire was easy to work with.
I got my car in March of 05, drove until Dec 1, put on the snowies. I had to drive in 1 inch of snow with the Advans on....SCARY AS HELL. I put the Advans back on in March and ran them until Dec 1 again.
I got 2 summers worth (roughly 12000 miles) on my Advans, this spring I get to pick out some new ones. I'm hoping to get at least 7 or 8 winters averaging 3000 miles each out of my Kuhmos.
/ancker
I got my car in March of 05, drove until Dec 1, put on the snowies. I had to drive in 1 inch of snow with the Advans on....SCARY AS HELL. I put the Advans back on in March and ran them until Dec 1 again.
I got 2 summers worth (roughly 12000 miles) on my Advans, this spring I get to pick out some new ones. I'm hoping to get at least 7 or 8 winters averaging 3000 miles each out of my Kuhmos.
/ancker
On the OEM advans, you MUST drive like a *****. LOL went through two winters on them, then I tossed them out since they were balding. Running on a set of BF Goodrich G-FORCE T/A KDWS All Seasons, not as sticky as the advans but it does the job
i've been driving mine this winter with no probs....they are hard at first but they warm up in about 5-10 minutes and they work fine to me....i mean just for daily driving....i wouldn't go to the track or anything....heck...everything about the evo takes 5-10minutes to warm up
.....this car is so cold natured....so i always take it easy until everything is warmed up...engine, turbo, tires, tranny, etc...i'm kindof looking forward to when the tires wear out so i can get some high performance all-season tires that are less noisey and ride smoother
.....this car is so cold natured....so i always take it easy until everything is warmed up...engine, turbo, tires, tranny, etc...i'm kindof looking forward to when the tires wear out so i can get some high performance all-season tires that are less noisey and ride smoother
Snow is one thing don't forget about ICE. Advans + ICE = scary. Saw a 350Z sitting with all 4 wheels in the air on a huge curb after he tried to drive in ice/snow. Bet that did wonders for his undercarige, C/F driveshaft
blizzak do a lot better in ice than summer tires. BIG differences.
I went ice autox in my wrx with the bmw club on a lake, and it is divided into 2wd all season,
4wd allseason, 2wd studless snow tires, 4wd studless snow tires, 2wd stud and 4 wd stud.
The times of studless snow are so much faster than allseason.
Then 2 idiots show up with a G35 coupe and Rx8 with summer tires and want to try.
They were told not going to happen, but they begged and said they drove 3 hours to get there.
The chef who ran it was pretty cool, he let them get in the practice ring and ask them to judge for themselves.
their car could not do anything on ice, cannot turn cannot stop.
Then they just went home. Pretty funny how hard they fought to get back on shore.
I went ice autox in my wrx with the bmw club on a lake, and it is divided into 2wd all season,
4wd allseason, 2wd studless snow tires, 4wd studless snow tires, 2wd stud and 4 wd stud.
The times of studless snow are so much faster than allseason.
Then 2 idiots show up with a G35 coupe and Rx8 with summer tires and want to try.
They were told not going to happen, but they begged and said they drove 3 hours to get there.
The chef who ran it was pretty cool, he let them get in the practice ring and ask them to judge for themselves.
their car could not do anything on ice, cannot turn cannot stop.
Then they just went home. Pretty funny how hard they fought to get back on shore.
Last edited by twlai; Jan 7, 2007 at 10:32 AM.
Ok so now that the majority agrees that these advans are dangerous in the winter....which tires are most affordable/best for winter, stay 235s or go 245s? Um I figure if a company(mitsu) goes out of their way to mark a warning on our car doors obviously its going to be a risk factor using the tires. It doesn't snow where I live but it does rain a lot and temps get down to about 40-50 so I guess I should go get a 2nd set of tires. But I can't afford any other rims :[ so....what tires do you guys recommend?
I was in New England when I bought my 8, but it was new then, and it took a while to get winter rims. So I did get caught out once driving at 20F in the rain on the Advans.
In the dry, you can warm the tires up, but cops frown on cars with big wings even without your jinking like an F1 driver under safety car.

The combination of cold and wet was like ice skating. Scary.
For snow, you'd want to go narrower than stock, to avoid "skiing" on the surface. I went down to 225 for winter (Nokian WRs), on a 17x7.5 rim.
Since then, I moved further south. There's hardly any snow here, but they never clean the roads. When road debris took out one of my Nokians, I went with Conti Extreme Contacts. I got a set of four for the price of two Nokians.
All I can say is that you get what you pay for. I'm a bit disappointed with the feel of the Contis, compared to the Nokians. But I haven't tried them on ice yet. The Nokians weren't as good as I expected on ice. And, to be fair, I did have to stay with the 225 width (my winter rims are only 7.5" wide).
You probably don't want Blizzaks, as a dedicated snow tire will wear very rapidly when used on warm, dry pavement.
Look over the all-season tires, such as Dunlop or Bridgestone or Pirelli. The Nokian WRs are very good all-season tires, but they can be hard to find, and they cost as much as Advans.
For non-snow use, I had looked at P-Zero Nero M+S for winter use on the Italian, but I don't have room for a *second* set of off-season wheels in the garage, so the Italian has to sit out cold weather for now. (The Bridgestone S03s go noticably off at 40F.)
But if you can manage a set of cheap winter rims, it does make it easier to do seasonal changes without subjecting the your stock rims to a tire machine twice a year. You'd also need to have the wheels rebalanced each change, if you use the same rims. With dedicated rims, the balance stays with the set.
Last edited by DGS; Jan 8, 2007 at 06:31 AM.


